just retcher mode
Well said and well stated. Although I have to bring one thing up
4 Adapters always helped me to be on the first place in raid. I also have Arbiters, Helioses, Retchers — these work pretty well too, but Adapters is something that I’m not afraid of going in raid with. Adapters require skill but their ability to shoot continually help you to tag and/or destroy as many bots as you want.
A note: I used Adapters on a 10-11k build, always with different PS teammates.
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adapters are very decent actually, the only reason i don’t recommend them is because you can do a better job with syntesis or machineguns for pretty much the same price
for you i suggest some english classes 
but seriously tho, the problem isnt with retchers, its just that they made the perfect scenario for them, low health bots with lots of explosives.
I tried dual Stillwinds in a raid recently, and was impressed at how well they worked. A bit tricky hitting fast moving targets, but often a single hit will kill smaller raiders. That explosion radius is no joke!
I’ve had pretty good success with Arrrrghuments in raids, they might not hit that hard in regular pvp but in pve they do nice damage, at least in easy and normal raids. Easier to hit targets as well since they’re extremely predictable, very good against lunatits and firefarters
Ultimate Raid Guide?
It is quite an instructive piece of work. But to call it the Ultimate guide?
After reading the first piece about Retchers and Porcs I already had my doubts. I know it’s a popular opinion, but it’s not entirely true either.
There are few players who can use a Retchers fully and effectively, most players just spam a bit and can only hit bots from close range, Porcs do a lot of damage but untargeted and barrels are also irritating for fellow players.
I think Fortunes might be even more effective and more fun to play.
Then you come up with some qualifications about weapons that you have never used yourself or very little.
for example:
AC43 Rapier - Bad accuracy and very bad DPS. uhhh what?
Piece about Emitters and Aurora, ever heard of Nova cab?
Your opinion about reload weapons takes the cake.
Here too you seem to be repeating a popular opinion, but here too it is not correct, someone who understands how to handle reload weapens effectively can achieve high scores and can make a useful contribution in raids.
Again for a beginner it is nice reading material, but certainly not the ultimate guide.
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if i go here and explain how to properly use each individual weapon here the post is gonna get twice as big, but i might include the retcher thing as this is indeed true, most people dont properly use its perk.
i have tried rapier multiple times, its awful.
you mean photon i suppose, and yeah its not really that great as you are left without any extra energy points to use.
read again, long reloading weapons, this is not simply an opinion these do take longer to kill bots, you can test it out for yourself if you doubt that still.
yeah was expecting someone to say that, of course, there will be some weapons i blacklisted that you can indeed make a good score with, but my point still stands, those are not optimal for raids and im 100% sure you are gonna have a much easier time getting a decent score with the other options.
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Photon indeed 
Ah, maybe I did misunderstood this guide. It’s about easy to use builds?
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kinda, the main idea is to teach people what will be better for them to bring to a raid, hence why the blacklisted weapons part mentions that they will “very likely not give you a good score”, because getting a good score with them is not entirely impossible, but i’m pretty sure with other weapons you can achieve that score easily. And i’m taking mostly newer players into account, as veterans likely know what they have to do in raids pretty well.
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Oh no I misspelled guide! Now I need English classes! Thanks… But I aced English in highschool and post secondary. I also tutored and taught some English classes.
But I’m also dislexic. So… Way to tell the dyslexic guy to take English classes.
It’s a game forum. U think proper English matters here? And what does my good grade from you get me oh Master of grammar??? Stfu.
Did you notice you mocked my English while using poor grammar? You probably didn’t. Gj buddy!
you actually took it seriously damn
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This is a decent guide, and people should understand GUIDE - good for putting this info out there!!!
Experienced players will find build that work for them and are VERY good.
I generally find any cannon type of reload weapon on non-hadron builds is always a build that needs to be carried by the rest of the team. Good for you to put this in.
One build i have that is very strong though if you play aggressive is 2 fat-man (fused reload) flywheel, Hadron, King. Shoots about every 1.5 seconds and deals around 300 damage on sphere of up to 900 white damage with great impulse. Again, needs to be played like a shotgun dog build, up close and in the face. Weapons are the armour. The build is on exhibition if you want to try it - fun times. I can generally take first place with this is raids of all difficulty.
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I never take that bs lightly.
Doggystyle in raids is one way to do it, personally I don’t think it’s necessary with ranged weapon to do that, and on top of that it also delays completing raid. Doggystyle players often block line of sight from other players. This makes it seem very effective for that one player but slows down total team effectiveness. The fact that you often take MVP because of such a playing style has more to do with hindering other players to score points.
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Trust me - it does not delay. Its on the Show us your build so have a look.
hadron + king can make lots of reload weapons do a much better job in raids indeed, but as psychq said, yeah you really shouldn’t facehug bots specially with ranged weapons, like it can sometimes get you a better score but it always makes the raid take longer, cuz then you lure bots away from everyone else besides you.
not my problem then
Whirl vs Thresher which one and You mentioned the best dps is Whirl. If we make a build with only epic items, which would be the most effective build? I’m not just asking for Whirl and Thresher in general.
If the situation is for raids, whirls are pretty good, and there’s a lot of different builds you can make them work on.
Having said that, if you are sticking to epic weapons, I find 3 equalizers and an aurora is very dependable and easier to play than whirls.