Changes in the mechanics of projectile damage

[DarthStall]

I will check this out.

[Connetable]

Spaced armor is clearly an exploit of pass-through pieces and this change is just giving the cannons the damages they are supposed to deal.

[SickWithIt]

This will ruin the game… it will become world of tanks… light cabin builds will be one shotted and only heavy cabins will be viable anywhere 8k power score and up…

[DarthStall]

It is confirmed with bullet resistant bumper Screener. ACs have some bullet damage. Tested with Cyclones.

[Roopull]

@SickWithIt

This will ruin the game… it will become world of tanks… light cabin builds will be one shotted and only heavy cabins will be viable anywhere 8k power score and up…

I hope you’re wrong, but if you’re right, hang in there . The devs are pretty good at attemptingto fix what they and we break.

[Poony4u]

Thanks! I appreciate your commitment to testing!

[Poony4u]

No it won’t. Speed and mobility will still be better than heavy armour on most builds, although hopefully it will make heavy cabins more viable.

[Skyshadow59178]

I strongly believe the real advantage of hovers is height and frame tanking.

Space armor can be used by most vehicles, the only thing that makes hovers superior is the fact they now have the speed and height to completely dictate the pace of combat agains all, or almost all vehicles.
Dictating pace of combat means i decide when engagement starts and ends, i decide where the combat happens, i decide the side you will shoot me from,i decide when its better to come close enough to block your shot and then retreat, i decide when i want to come close enough that your shot is completely tanked by my frames doint almost no effective damage.
The better the player, the more important the above is.

Thats what makes almost everything better on hovers, which means space armor aswell.

By getting rid of space armor you are getting rid of part of the outcome, not the source of the issue. The source will find a way to always create advantageous outcomes because it has more “power” than the rest to do so.

I think i decribed it as efficiently as i could.

[Poony4u]

I don’t think the goal is to make hovers weak, but rather to address an exploit that encourages a style of building that breaks immersion and is visually unappealing.
But having said that, hovers rely on spaced armour more than ground builds, so this still definitely impact movement part balance to some extent.
I predict that hovers will remain strong, but will start looking different, and may require people to adjust their playstyle as well.

[Skyshadow59178]

They wont really start looking differently

@Skyshadow59178

There is no need to be some supurb psychic to know that if there is one method of armoring your car that gives you 1-2-3-10-20% (doesnt matter the number) percent advantage over another, you will always pick the one that has advantage.

There is something to be said that in very small margins of advantage some might prefer the utility of having a more compact build but that is not the case here, since they keep the rest of the games weapon mechanics on the 7 bloack limitation. So the weapons that remain to be part of the 7 blocks advantage are still a lot.

Which means that what they do to cannon projectile is almost irrelevant, the thing that gives advantage will be used against the thing that doesnt in almost all competitive scenarios.

And like always, most ignore the real elephant in the room which is that now those projectile builds are kinda kept in check by dogs, especially hovers which is the best way to play those projectile builds…

Now that hovers are the most dominant thing in the game, whats going to happen when those builds get buffed?

Thats the real question here.

[PatentsPending]

ty.

[DarthStall]

I have seen the video from the test server. Every Typhoon shot against a hover now does 1000+ damage with the + being a game ending crippling pop. I wish I had invested in them when they were cheap garbage 2 months ago. I bought Firebugs instead. Typhoon hasn’t been the best gun in the game since approximately Spring of 2020. I think it will be back on top shortly. Also, fused + power Beholder only had a 5 month run as the best cabin in the game, and it looks like that is coming to an end as well. Nova is back.

[mupppet42069]

@Clebardman

Truth is, I was 7yo playing with my LEGOs making cars with guns when I thought “hey someone should make a building car game and put wheels and guns and… other things in it”. The whole game is my idea, and no one will ever prove me wrong. Little did I know someone would interpret “other things” as “stupidly broken hovers that play like every other boring non-vehicular shooter”.

Also I suggested that SturmTiger howitzer like dozens other people because it was obvious, so give me credits for that too . Now I’m waiting for my Panzer II Tempest skin. They can’t have ignored my request to have a Pz II turret special Whirl, it can’t be… right?

i didnt know we have royalty among us! im so sorry for calling you a french fry all those times, a thousand space pardons!d thanks a lot for inventing this beautiful pile of dung for us to mess around in, so grateful!

@Clebardman

Also I suggested that SturmTiger howitzer like dozens other people because it was obvious, so give me credits for that too . Now I’m waiting for my Panzer II Tempest skin. They can’t have ignored my request to have a Pz II turret special Whirl, it can’t be… right?

my cousin who currently dates skula told me they really wanted to heed your advice, for they know youre the spiritual foundation of the game, alas orders from the very top denied the request, putin cant have a panzer II turret in the game, it would make the current russian tanks look too outdated.

@PatentsPending

Bradley turrets

you better watch your mouth, or check your brain maybe. not for me, but for your own safety.

@Roopull

I’mma just suggest clicking on certain people’s profiles & hitting “ignore.” It’ll make the forum more enjoyable. After seeing that a certain someone hadn’t logged on in a couple of days, then logged on and posted two trolling comments defending a 3rd account…

dont censor me! what, are you a commie? lmao, great theory. love when i can use idiotic catchphrases against the turds who support them, so here you go: “rent free”

i dont have any alt accounts, only my sister has an account called albertino, and sometimes she posts on my behalf when i have been naughty.

but great logic you use there, its almost all holes though. im persecuted, someone logged in after 3 days and posted something that hurts my feelings. smart.

[AFluffyBadger]

@Skyshadow59178

Every competitive car in the game uses the same armor scheme pretty much, which means it simply makes the mentioned projectiles more effective vs all.

Remember what kind of movement parts love cannons the most and are the biggest reason behind their nerfs/buffs?..Yeah.

Spaced armor is a lot less effective on builds with low ground clearance because of snagging and frame height. Bigrams, ML200, and Hovers are the only builds that can really spongecake spaced armor. Wheels can do it but they won’t be using frames as armor, and they will always be shot down upon by taller builds, so roof armor becomes more important. They also snag a lot more due to armor hitting terrain.

Hovers in terms of mass trade a LOT of mass for mobility. Currently they do not lose survivability with that lost mass simply because of spaced armor, which means they actually make no tradeoff. If hovers were guaranteed to become crippled when hit by long range alpha strike weapons (Their only legitimate counter except assassin builds) they would be much less of a balance problem, even if they were running cannons. They would play more like glass cannon builds.

[cac1qu3]

I’ve made a conclusion about the current situation and my experience on the test server.
This part starts from 01:57 for those who don’t wanna watch the whole video

Discover the Game-Changing Mechanics of Projectile Damage | Crossout News Show

[Poony4u]

Has anyone tested missiles yet? Do they do any bullet damage before exploding?

[Clebardman]

What kind of hovers are you playing against? I guarantee a proper CW Oma hover takes absolutely minimal damage from the first Kaiju volley it eats (kinda like scorps). Light frames, gun mounts, all that crap tanks ultra-hard.

I’ve nailed people for 250 dmg in the weapons after a full volley… garbaaaaaaage…

I’m not too mad about it tho, because non-Oma weapons fall sooooooo fast it’s crazy.

[Poony4u]

Sometimes a barrage gets soaked up more than I’d like, but it’s not as severe as what I experience regularly when playing conventional cannons. Also, when playing long range sniper style, it’s easier to hit someone who doesn’t see you from the side. Verifier won’t help you if I’m at the other end of the map.

[tenshiijin]

Yeah that penetrating weapon perk on some canons is going to need a change with these new mechanics perhaps.

[tenshiijin]

Wsit a minute. Did they change scorpions damage mechanics agan? It sounded like you said scorpions are doing flat damage to every part in its damage path, like how it worked way back in the day. Like 200 damage to every part in its path.