Nah, it’s a skill issue. They are terrible, but only in comparison with 4x4, because sheepies love to feed the enemy team, and in classic missions there are ALOT of sheepies.
But saying it’s worse than arcade? lmao
Arcade is made specifically for sheepies that don’t know how to properly build, synergize, position themselves on the map, which parts are meta and which ones aren’t etc.
You don’t know how to play the game? Don’t worry, my little sheepie, you can feed the enemies as much as you like in this gamemode with no consequences! (except your team loses… But “it’s just a game, why you’re so mad about digital pixels bro lmao”).
And this doesn’t make sheepies learn or improve… i’d delete the arcade gamemodes tbh
I estimate that about 1% of Crossout players approach the game with the mind of competitive mindset you do.
Don’t get me wrong: I am all in favour of everyone playing the game the way they enjoy the most. But I think you (and many other people) have the mistaken belief that their approach is best. For all your sneering about sheeple and casual players telling you to chill out and touch grass, has it occurred to you that Crossout is closer to a casual arcade game than it is to a serious competitive game? Maybe the sheeple aren’t so wrong, assuming they’re having fun?
I’m pretty sure I’m not bottom of the barrel and a burden on my team (or at least not consistently), but I can’t imagine enjoying Crossout if I cared as much about winning and being competitive as you do.
My point is that I fully support you having fun in you own way, but I wish you weren’t so judgmental and rude about everyone who doesn’t approach the game the way you do.
Anyway, as far as whatever normal is, I’ve been blown away to find out how many people only play Patrol. Or who love Bedlam. I think one of the great things about Crossout is that it’s a totally different game to different players.
In 6v6 you must concentrate and verify you have your 40 points. Then you can play to win or play for fun, or yolo. Less enemy, less chance for points, less time for strategy, less bots to farm the 40 points, just less of everything but more room to not get any points or the enemy to just run away from your weapons or to be too far away while your allies kill everything. Just add more bots. Stop complaining about the bots.
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If “fun” is feeding the enemy team while doing literally less than 2k in a gamemode where your death means nothing, then you’re doing something wrong.
There’s a saying…
Live like a lion one day than like a sheep for hundred years
I literally can’t comprehend how it’s fun to be a bottom of the barrel plankton and a burden to your team.
there a major difference between being on the top of said barrel plankton or being in the bottom
What can one do? This is a game make this way, you are never on the top part for too long
asking for a 2k game as a average for anyone else, apart for being a tall order it would be disastrous.
it would water down the current 2 k average game players, make them ordinary /common like everyone else
it would make my 2k victories and closer to that, bland.
it would appear someone saying the exactly same thing but instead of 2k, he would ask for 3k or 4k.
The game i used to play
Unicoms that normally get 200k and 300k per match on a regular basis, in a normal PVP environment 12 vs 12, in a competitive environment they get a lot less per match.
The problem is not “i’m bad at the game”, it’s “i’m bad at the game, but come on bro, it’s just a game, digital pixels, i play how i want, that’s your opinion and you keep it to yourself…” etc.
The point of almost every single game out there is to improve. There are “cozy games” genre, but even they require you to have some sort of skill to progress.
And in Crossout, you aren’t the only player on your team. It’s extremely infuriating when, for example, i go to BfU, destroy 3 players solo and then i see that all my sheepies are dead and a full 4th enemy player comes towards me. Then i say something like “f-g sheepies did 0 impact again” in the chat, and potentially get muted because a 20% WN sheepies feelings were hurt and it’s me who “destroys the friendly atmosphere”…
The worst part is, speaking from personal experience - if you try to approach a sheepie in a friendly manner by saying stuff like “hey dude, your build isn’t good, do you want me to help you?” 95% of the time it’s either “no f u” or complete silence. Then sheepie does 0 impact and you have to carry them, and even worse - the sheepie talks like you OWE them a win if you dare to say something negative to that sheepie.
IMO these people should go play edutainment games for 5 year olds if they do things like that
Being in a top 1% and then falling to top 5% still means you’re better than 95% of the players.
I’m not saying that being bad at the game is horrible. Being bad at the game AND in denial, trying to find excuses to not even try to improve - this is what infuriates me, as it’s essentially “yeah i’m useless, suck it up and carry me by destroying the entire enemy team by yourself”
Even worse if that happens in BfU, and also the whole problem gets more severe if you consider how resource rewards are distributed. Basically there’s diminishing returns, like, at 40 points you get 10 scrap, at 400 points you get 20, and at 4000 you get 30 (ofc the numbers aren’t correct but you get the idea)
A sheepie that did about 500 damage and 150 points gets 10 wires
Me who did 20k or so damage because sheepies did nothing, gets 3000 points and 15 wires… wow, great, thanks game, the sheepie gets rewarded much more for their impact than i do
working for the team doesn’t pay off either, regarding rewards, (when you manage to pull out of the main engagement multiple enemies, giving your team a temporary tactical advantage over the other team, those sort of things doesn’t count for the reward )
Not only in BFU, but that happens all across the game in all modes but the that’s not the player’s fault, the game is made that way.
( going with your numbers)
It’s simply ridiculous the rewards we get .
30 scrap maybe ok for whom ( for whatever reason ) ends up in the bottom, not only that but we should receive multiple kinds of resources per match as a reward, but no, we only get one kind.
The difference in rewards between MVP and other places are not anything special either, normally we get, literally, a couple more whatever resource we are playing for.
Uranium…
A simple lump for 1700 points? are you kidding me?
Now, the game, is simply flipping me the bird.
I just can’t be bother.
With a reward system like this, we are on our own , it’s up to us to try to make it to the top, cause there’s no inceptives to make it there.
Why should we try to make MVP?
and good luck maintaining the fighting spirit in a longggg grind session.
we all should aim for the 40 points, and that’s it.
you need to make hundreds of games ( to be modest ) to see any real difference between the rewards given
I’m not going to speak for other players, but I get bored when I play overly optimized builds for too long.
I enjoy the challenge of trying to make the best build I can with some of the weakest items.
Of course that gets boring too, so I also enjoy making things that can perform well in CC.
My point is that all approaches should be tolerated and encouraged, because the game needs as many players as it can get, which means both competitive and casual players.
If people are regularly telling you to chill
out because it’s just a game, than chances are you actually do need to touch grass and remind yourself that this is just a game, and one that even children can play.
Playing with your team and adapting to the randoms you end up paired with is part of the challenge. If you can’t handle that, that’s your failing. There are all kinds of ways to use bots and weaker players to your advantage, but if you pretend that they aren’t a factor, you’re going to end up in the situations you describe, and lose the match to the team where the stronger players aren’t abandoning the weak,
Yes, if you talk like jerk to strangers they won’t like you very much. Is this how you approach people in real life too, or just games?
As far as i understood you’re a console player (since i couldn’t find you on crossout info), the meta is different there and the playerbase is whatever.
For PC i can say. It’s fine to play suboptimal builds from time to time. In CC i’ve been trying triple Dooms, trying to minmax Hornets, playing on Fafnirs, Gungnirs, Fukibaris, i’ve also recently discovered a Swarm build with rocket engines and it’s fun to do airstrikes on unsuspecting enemy team.
The problem is that i can make even the worst of the worst… kinda sorta maybe work.
Sheepies wouldn’t be able to do that. Using a meta build gives them a chance to make some impact AND improve their skill. You can’t improve by running a suboptimal build, since it’s either:
a) you will be steamrolled by the enemy team, learning nothing
b) you will be put against sheepies that match your skill level
If it’s case B, you’ll actually have a chance to “learn in a different direction”. Like, you might successfully destroy a sheepie by running an auger+skinner build, but when you will (eventually) get matched against players that actually know what they’re doing, you’ll be just a player slot filler to your team. If it works against sheepies, it doesn’t mean that it’s good. It’s just that the sheepies are dumb lol
Yeah, i don’t want to carry 3 sheepies on my back because “i come to this game to chill!! bro it’s just a game!! so what if i go to the competive mode, i play how you want!!”
Like, these players should really play edutainment games for 5 year olds with that mindset. They clearly aren’t ready
So you’ve read that but completely skipped over this
Like i’ve literally told a guy a few days ago “yo, remove the useless titans and put tracks+golden eagle, it will be miles better”. He was running a hadron+king+mammoth build (which is pretty good… just not with useless titans).
What the guy said to me? “smartass b***h)”, “you got dewheeled and trying to give me an advice)” (after i destroyed 2 people and severely damaged the 3rd one), “do you really think i didn’t try tracks in my 10 years of playtime? they’re worthless” (so what lmao we’re talking about the current meta, not what was 2 or 3 years ago)
So let me ask you straight.
It’s my fault (as someone who spent quite possibly more than 10k hours in the game and has a huge rep sheet on info with almost all weapons average damage on 5*) that:
i get matched with braindead sheepies
which are thinking they know the game more than me (but their stats on info prove othervise)
and they just choose not to improve because “why improve if i’m carried?”
?
If i understood you correctly, you want me to carry someone on my back, who’s unable to return the favour to me, doesn’t even wants to do that in the first place and acts like i OWE them the said carrying?
If that’s so i’m grateful we play on different platforms, as this would’ve earned the instant “leave the match after the cooldown so you would enjoy the 3v4” from me
That is a whole generation of entitled USA brats who are now adults living with mommy and daddy and not wanting to bear or raise children.
He is not saying he wants you to do this. He is saying if you want victory then you must accept that you may be required to carry to win. And be pleasant in chat too.
I chose not to quote that part, because I’m lazy and it takes more effort to respond to this scenario.
But since you asked, yes it’s predictable that many people are not going to appreciate unsolicited advice from strangers about how they should be playing the game. This is just basic human interaction dynamics.
For example, I am not very social in-game and don’t really use the chat features if I can avoid it. Occasionally random people message me, and most of the time I have no interest in what they have to say, because it’s either condescending unsolicited advice, or random insults from people who aren’t scoring any higher than me.
So I ignore most of it.
I remember when Fatums were new, I spent a couple weeks trying different approaches to see what they could do. Some dude messages me after a match saying something like “if you insist on playing drones, you should be playing a good one like Yaoguai, not these dumb things”.
That is just not useful advice or a conversation I want to be part of. I’ve played the sentry drones, and I know what I can do with them. I wanted to play the new drone and try to figure it out. I don’t have to care if some random thinks that made my team lose the match. If I cared enough to respond, I would have told them to chill out and touch some grass, this is just a game that is literally rated for children.
Recently had someone else tell me that they liked my build, but that my playstyle would work better with Jannabi or Satori. Because they were more polite, I thanked them for the compliment and explained that I play the drift cabins a lot, but was just trying out the new BP cabin and seeing what it can do. And that I was also giving Gungnir’s another try, but still not able to make them work well.
In both cases, the advice was not useful or wanted, but the second guy at least figured out a way to do it in a way that wasn’t annoying.
If someone wants advice from a stranger, they will seek it out.
Which to me is what this forum should be more about, and why I’m always glad to see you posting here. You do understand the mechanics of the game better than most, although the metas are different between console and PC. I have learned a few things from your posts here.
One thing I find interesting about the console vs PC thing is that I believe that most of it is cultural rather than being primarily about the controller vs KB/M factor. When I steal PC meta ideas they usually seem to work well on console too (which suggests it could probably go the other way too).
I just think that if anyone is getting mad about the game, they either need to change how they are approaching the game, or play something else. Life is way too short and precious to spend it getting upset about any video game.
Okay then, i misunderstood your point. Sorry about that
Thought you just ignored it altogether lol
Their problem then, if a top 1% player gives you an advice you should listen (there are some exceptions, but that’s a deep rabbit hole about “toper culture”). A sheepie doesn’t do that
Counterpoint:
A sheepie doesn’t usually know they’re a sheepie, that’s the problem
Well, i’m mad about the game, mostly because of predatory practices.
If you meant not “the state of the game” but “your team composition”, i’m gonna repeat: i’m not mad about bad players, i’m mad about bad players that are in denial and act like i owe them the win lol
Whenever you say Sheepie, I misread it as Sheeple, which is distracting.
The term Sheeple is generally used by idiot conspiracy theorists to describe people that don’t share their deranged worldview.
Anyway, you sure come across as if you’re mad at all the bad players.
I’m starting to think I’m lucky to be an average skill player, so that I can tolerate playing with people who are worse than me.
I do think that if you can’t handle playing with low level players on your team, you should probably stick to playing in a group with people at your skill level. That would be boring for me, but we clearly have different emotional needs from the game.
