Nice try, next time use whole quote:
That ain’t encouraging. I don’t want to be the one who “tells others how to raise their children” but get them to read some good book, at least… Or a dozen.
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Good advice, but have no fear.
He and his brothers are all active readers. This kid in particular chews through books at a rate you wouldn’t believe. He reads so much that we have become quite adept at all the online and in person second hand book stores. I would have to get a second job to feed his habit if we had to buy everything new. LOL
To say screen time is limited in our house would be a gross understatement. For this kid, that’s not really an issue because he will only play video games or even watch TV for a short amount of time before he’s off doing other stuff on his own.
I encourage any parent to unsubscribe from the streaming services, don’t pay for cable, and have books available at a very young age. I’m far from being a parenting expert, but from what I can tell right now, this has been wildly successful.
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Ye, that kinda reminds me about me at that age… well, as well as me at the current age. I still have some time for reading, even though I may not need it. Just, you know, to not be an ignoramus.
But it also depends on what kinds of books you read. I’m not really going to list all the authors I had read when I was wee but it’s best to differ the reading with both easy and complex stories. For instance, Rowling’s writing is sloppy, to say the least. But it’s easy. On the other hand, Lem’s books are somehow harder to read and comprehend. They contant some life lessons and food for thought. So you can diverse the reading, depending on your mood and whatnot.
Not all videogames are bad. There are some RPGs, and I can tell you, beating them is similar to reading. On account of the amount of text there is.
XO and DRG (that dwarf mining game), on the other hand, can’t give you the same, hence my previous post.
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If you have any suggestions, I’m all ears…
So… funny little anecdote…
When my oldest was REALLY getting into reading (we’re talking around 7 years old), he started reading full on novels. That’s when he first picked up Harry Potter. At SEVEN. 
Well, we were new to parenting, & him being our first, we made the pitiful mistake of not having enough appropriate reading material in the house. We didn’t have anything vulgar, but did catch him reading “What to Expect When You’re Expecting.”
Yeah… no.
Since then, we’re pretty aggressive in making sure there are plenty of books laying around… including a full set of actual physical encyclopedias! 
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Fallout (the first one) and Underrail (which was heavily inspired by Fallout). Strike-through so no one will guess what those games are and won’t stop playing XO 
Both isometric, both lack pretty pictures and both make up for it in text. Granted, you’re gonna need a high-res big-a$$ monitor to read all the text (due to low resolution of the former and text font) but you’re going to read nonetheless, and read much.
Indeed, those are good as well. For general education.
I’d suggest to have a collection of classics, in case you want them to educate themselves further. Shakespeare, Goethe, Seton Thompson, de Saint-Exupéry, maybe even Lovecraft. Your choice depends on what you want to teach your children.
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Personally, I read lots of Dr. Seuss, the news…and this thread (wow, the scope of it).
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Wrote this somewhat comprehensive guide to playing cheaply while Droning in the 7k’s. Y’all have already seen most of its contents posted in this forum. I just felt like jumping on the “Pics or it didn’t happen” bandwagon, LMAO. Does what I have to say count yet?
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The oldest is in his 3rd year of Latin. He’s reading classics I didn’t even know existed. Great suggestion to have them IN THE HOME, though.
I do have a growing poetry library they’ve intermittently delved into. That was simply for my own interests, though. It pleased me to no end to see them taking an interest on their own. I have plenty in there from the classics dating back to books I had to purchase for college, but since then there’s been a bit of an emphasis on Kipling, my fave.
Don’t knock it… He did more to get kids to read than those “Dick and Jane” books ever did. Hop on Pop was mandatory reading in this household!
Where the Wild Things Are, Go Dog Go, and Goodnight Moon along with Seuss rank right up there with Hamlet for me. 
Nice.
I think we’re to the point that we need actual video screen recordings before we can believe anything anyone says, though Sorry. That book doesn’t exist.
I don’t have Amazon Prime anymore, so I’ll have to wait a while before it shows up. No really. I don’t have Prime. Don’t believe me?
Awe shucks. Looks like I poorly cropped out so you can’t see my username or personal info on there (that’s what we call foreshadowing, kids).
Now I just need a chance to get on my PC, log into the middle son’s account, and record his inventory so my precious online persona can be restored.
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Just in case you actually bought it, it’s pre 2.0, so, it’s out of date 
But it’s got all my comics is it! Hope you find the offensive enough to be funny!
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Oh so you mean he’s reading Elegy and The Epodes? That’s nice.
Anyhow, good ol’ books contain some valuable knowledge and life lessons. Not all of them though, but major part.
Yes, like a library. Good to know you have a growing collection 
UPD: actually I remember a few more authors, but not sure if they count as “classics”. Mostly sci-fi stuff. Azimov, Harrison, Howard, Orwell, Clarke… the list goes on, as I’ve probably mentioned before. Anyhow we shall return back to the topic.
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It’s in the cart… when add enough to the cart to get free shipping, it’ll be on its way.
To be honest, he’s 17… at this point, so long as what he’s reading isn’t obviously inappropriate, he’s on his own. The two oldest read so much so fast, I struggle to keep up with what they’ve been reading. But yeah… whatever they read in Latin class & the Latin club he’s in is what he’s reading. I’d be lying if I claimed to be on his reading level. He surpassed me long ago, and I’m an avid reader. I’m mostly into non-fiction at this point, though. Call me boring… 
I think maybe a parent’s goal should be for their kids to surpass them. If that’s true, things are looking up.
As for the original topic…
I was recently prodded into considering why I still make purchases if I’m not really interested in winning.
By winning, I mean truly competing in PVP to win as many matches as possible or even CW. I mean, I’m not going into PVP to lose by any stretch of the imagination, but I’d rather go in there with a vehicle I enjoy playing than a META that will be more likely to lead to victory.
So, I ask myself why I bought this last battlepass, and why on Earth am I considering the little Radiance one?
What are MY motivations?
That’s a wise question for anyone to ask themselves about anything.
The heart is more deceitful than anything else, and incurable — who can understand it? I, the Lord, examine the mind, I test the heart to give to each according to his way, according to what his actions deserve.
Meaning… you may think you know your motivations, but your actions reflect the truth. At least, that’s one off the cuff interpretation.
So, I sit and wonder at myself…
A huge part of why I like the game is simply the building aspect of it. I often sit and just tool away building whatever I fancy. There are new parts in the Hyperboreans faction. They look cool to me. Regardless of how useful they are going to be in battle, they look cool. If I have a regret from not purchasing past battle passes, it’s not having some of the cool structural parts. I wanted the CK for the Omni… the anchor decor piece… the nautilus parts… the bulb… the plow. I could see builds in my head using those things.
Second to that, I like playing drones. I know they’re weak. I know they’re a challenge. That’s a big part of why I enjoy them. That drone cabin didn’t sound like it’d be a game changer, and I wasn’t sure on how it’d actually function. But, FOMO… the fear of missing out was huge.
Dismissing everything else in the BP, these two are why I got it. At least, as far as I can understand my own heart, this is why I got it.
So, for me, the game is most definitely NOT pay to win. If I was hyper-interested in WINNING, I’d have spent that $10 on coins or CrossCrowns.
Then, I’d have proceeded in buying whatever I could get to advance me towards the ever-shifting META. I don’t think that’d have even come close to guaranteeing victories, but the META is the META, and to win consistently, you have to pursue it. It must be said, that you absolutely can get current META builds without spending a dime. It’s simple. It’s simple just like running a marathon is simple.
Simple does not equal easy or fast.
I’m realizing this is probably the crossroads in the debate between people like myself who do not see XO as pay to win and those who angrily insist it is.
If you want to compete successfully and dominate in high level PVP or CW, you absolutely do need the META.
The META, if you pursue it via grinding, is years away.
If you pursue it via cash, it’s today.
I don’t think we disagree so much on if it’s pay to win, but on how we define WINNING.
If I log in, build a giant waddling duck 
that shoots canon shells out of its butt and manage to get a few PVP victories, I feel like I’ve not only won, I’ve won in dramatic fashion.
Others clearly feel like what I’m doing is lame… and that real WINNING means playing at the highest power scores against other players doing the same in PVP or CW. I find that tedious, laborious… exhausting.
For me, the game isn’t P2W. For them, it is. Are either of us actually wrong?
As such, I enjoy the game the way it is, flaws and all. Apparently the other group doesn’t enjoy it as much.
I’ve attempted from time to time to convince people who are in that latter group and clearly angry to step back from that CW/PVP world and attempt to enjoy the less extreme aspects of the game. I simply think they’d be happier and more satisfied if they did.
I’ve said before, that translates into the real world, as well.
Parts of this game could be classified as “casual” gaming. I’m afraid that effort is largely in vain.
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Not when the META is a Trucker and four Borers.
But, I’m getting the impression the bitterness here is all about Uranium and Clan Wars. I don’t know where else people would think they need Relics to win, let alone fused ones. Only then does it understandably turn into a dilemma of excessive price tags. Otherwise I can’t make sense of the P2W anxiety.
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Yeah, I think that’s exactly it.
The problem, as I mentioned towards the end of that long post, is it’s hard to convince the CW/Relic/Uranium crowd that might be the worst part of the game.
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You don’t even know what p2w is before you keep chanting about it
Go play those free games made by China man companies for example : conquer’s blade then you know what’s p2w
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Welcome to the forum.
Earlier, it was suggested by the resident troll that in order to be taken seriously, we need to be Clan Wars players with relics to be taken seriously. Meh… I didn’t enjoy CW when I played them, and found the relics I’d had to be underwhelming considering the price. I’d rather grind for or buy 10 legendaries or 20 epics than one relic. Maybe I’ll get more some day, but it’ll be different ones than what I had.
We have at least 4 CrossOut accounts in this household. Two have a good bit of stuff and are played frequently. One is only played every now and then & has had a couple of packs purchased for it. The other is literally just a starter account for one of the kids who played & didn’t like the game enough to keep slogging on. I think one of the kids may have created another account for himself. Not sure.
I rarely log into their accounts. It’s on one of these accounts that we had the relics - the big dumb canon & the shotgun. That account was once very similar to the one I play on with this username, but the child that plays on it decided he REALLY wanted some relics, so he went on a selling spree & bought two (with my permission & participation, of course).
Neither of us enjoyed them all that much. We both tried CW & PVP with them, but bah… it was before I really grasped how important it is to have a “full set” of a weapon in this game. They were sold at some point at what I’m thinking was a tremendous in-game financial loss. That loss, I’m thinking, is a big part of why that kid is less likely to play, now. Can’t blame him, really.
He still does play, and things like what’s in the video are what he builds. He has my eye for the silly…
And no, the video doesn’t prove a thing.
It’s not meant to.
You have nothing to prove to our little troll who hides behind multiple accounts and doesn’t realize how simple it is to provide his kind of evidence. Google images “Crossout inventory relics” edit a bit and voila there you have proof. He himself can’t even prove that his screenshot is real.
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That gives me an idea… I might “prove” I have every relic. LOL I’m pretty good at video editing. I may have to re-learn photoshop a bit.
Why bother he’s probably 35ish and living in his parents basement with no life. Probably also has an under aged sister living on a floor above him doing posting for him when he gets banned just to get him out of her hair…
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