If you do a little more internet sleuthing on here, you will also learn I have four accounts on crossout. The other three I’ve gifted or started for my kids. Since you are clearly not the most stable individual I sure as hell I’m not going to reveal the names of those accounts.
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That sums all up indeed.
But it still leaves the possibility to complain about stuff. And other to tell the complainants to pipe down, within boundaries where established.
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Good point. It got me to thinking about my own motivations for when I pay for things in Crossout now. I do still play pvp, but certainly not as much as I did a couple of years ago.
I paid for this battle pass and the thing that pushed me over the edge to buy it was that drone cab. I have no expectations that it will in any way be a PVP game changer! LOL! I am pretty sure no one else expects that either. It’ll just make a set of weapons I already have a bit more interesting to play (hopefully).
Back when they didn’t cost CrossCrowns, I also paid for at least once decor pack. I certainly didn’t buy THAT to win any matches. 
So, for me, I guess I’m paying for the extra variety of toys in the game. I love the building aspect of the game, so this is like getting random unique Legos to add to the big ole bin of parts I already have.
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my very first purchase was the woody pack.
I am paying because I can and I want to. Just like I bought a boat last year. Because I wanted to. I don’t need a reason to justify it to anyone else.
If it’s p2w. so what? I win about 50% of the games … almost like the mm algo has a thumb on the scale… 
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Yes that is the virtue of random PvP and MM. Conspiracy theories often come up about how MM hurts good players and sometimes it seems to be the case if you get bad MM many times in a row, but if you have a good streak it’s not MM’s fault. You can influence it by playing random PvP as a group. But it does stop there. For me 1 of the reasons not to attach much importance to winning in PvP in XO.
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So, if this game is P2W, are there any good suggestions for what I should go buy that’ll help me win, and how much do I need to spend to make that happen?
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I’ve had conversations on here with others that might semi-confirm a little conspiracy theory. If I bring shotguns, mm hits me pretty hard. If I bring say… Assemblers… It treats me well (assuming that being one of the more powerful players is being treated well). There definitely seems to be a connection between how it matches you and your build.
Thoughts?
I think some combos give a modifier to your PS. Perhaps linked to data from the system, weapon is used a lot, does an above average amount of dmg, etc and vice versa. It’s just a guess, but I wouldn’t find it weird and actually good.
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ill carry your sword wherever you go, my liege!
thats a fair point. i think i can help you save face here.
ill be waiting.
btw, someone already pulled one like this: “i own relics, just on another account”. was it discopony or redwidow? never saw proof
yes, the meta shifts regularly and quickly, so you always have to aquire new stuff to keep up. paying 10 bucks to get 50% more is hard p2w in those circumstances, especially if you play cw.
again, there is no p2w in pve because its braindead easy and simple. in cw there is heavy p2w and pvp is the same, it just doesnt matter much because its random and playing in a group skews things even more. but think of all the say annihilator trolls at that time, they definitely paid to get access and had super easy games because of it.
if you mostly play pve or uber casual pvp then yeah, no p2w.
yes, sethioz was the king of this conspiracy theory and also the prime example of why its not true. this guy is so full of himself, he couldnt believe he gets wrecked. he assumed he should be winning way more than he did because he thought way too highly of himself.
people cant think straight. it feels unfair to get dunked on by a build with more ps but it doesnt feel dirty to them owning another one with lower ps. because they like to think its their own doing. so ignorami walk around feeling cheated, because thats all they remember, not how others were cheated by having lower ps compared to them.
your girlfriend already told you this:
and btw, i remember your name from cw. do you know rapcee?
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And here I was thinking “at least I have some wealth in my items” 
its nothing, i have never paid anything for this crap but no lifed hard when i was still playing cw. most people, even new ones had inventories twice or more the value, because they too no lifed but also spent huge amounts of money. its normal in cw, in basically every clan down to bronze.
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Oh well, it’s not for me then. It’ll only take a couple of relics for me to be around 150k
What you describe here is not P2W, but Pay to Compete. With this you can at most ensure that you are on the same level in terms of material as your opponents who already have those materials. This does not guarantee you to win. This phenomenon is not that strange at all. Virtually all competitive mechanisms work this way. If you want to excel in a competition, fine, then you will have to provide training facilities and materials, which are usually very expensive. Paid by hard work, sponsors, wealthy parents or institutions or people who see your talents as a good investment. Back to XO, actually it’s no different here. The game gives you number of options to keep up in the treadmill of meta hunting, PvP and or CW. (dead end street in XO imho) You can grind like a zombie, pay money, or have good friends who already played high CW and let you join in from time to time. Or combinations of these 3. All 3 require effort and sacrifice. Players roaring around here that it’s P2W apparently don’t understand or don’t want to understand that. When it is explained to them, they then go on the defensive and want the game to be adjusted to their wishes, very naive imho. Discussion gets tedious. Then you come by to add some fuel to that fire. While I think you know very well how it works. You seem to think that’s funny. I don’t know if that really helps in this discussion.
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well no, numbnuts, youre showing a picture of someones inventory without any proof of whose it actually is. i gave you and roopull a blueprint for how to do it. get it right this time.
also, i like how you humble brag completely out of the blue. its about roopull claiming one thing that at first glance seems to be untrue (i own relics - no relics in his inventory). but yeah, i would be sooo happy if had all the relics, really jelly.
Wow, the mental gymnastics required to pull this argument off is impressive. just out of curioaity, can you toot your own horn?
i know the argument because its as old as p2w. your definition of p2w is the narrowest possible one: p2w means i pay 1$ and then i press the win button and then i win.
going by this definition, youre right, the game isnt p2w. actually, probably no game is p2w. you win.
on the other hand, only people who are currently actively involved in some sort of p2w scheme actually share this view. e.g. steam reviews and the many personal accounts from forum goers. most people play crossout for like 3h before they nope the fukk out of here because the game looks like a p2w hellhole. nobody can get their friends to play crossout.
hm, so then let me tell you about one other game i play. hell let loose. i paid 30 bucks for that, one of the best shooter games ever imo. there are no microtransactions. there is, unfortunately, some grind for better loadouts which you can cheat by going to grind servers though. no way to speed up the grind, no way to pay for anything.
so nope, simply not true. and im just comparing one pvp game with another, not making far fetched, weak comparisons.
oh please, with the arrogance again. ive heard all these arguments plenty times already, i wont be able to understand idiocy any better than i already do.
tell me about tedious, ive fought this battle in this very forum 10+ times already and its always pretty much the same.
hordes of zealots wishing to remain in darkness, shouting down some guy who made a topic on a very obvious flaw of the game. and then next week the next guy makes a post about his friends who noped out 2s after they realized the insane grind and/or cash required to play here. or the ominious “we need more players, what in gods name could we do to get more players?” threads.
anyways, you still owe my liege an answer to this:
unless your point actually truly is, its only p2w if there is a win button you can click for 1$.
btw. so you do know rapcee, dont you?
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Wait… are we now going to show screenshots of our inventories and accomplishments before we count? LOL
I was going to do so before I left for work, but the kid with almost nothing in his inventory was playing DeepRockGalactic or something like that… If I get bored later on and have time to play, I’ll screenshot the other kid’s relic inventory for ya to make you feel better about the world.
Fascinating how much free rent I’m getting…
Nice constructive way to reply. I’m going to keep it short. I am not the one who misuses the term P2W as an excuse for not being able to play this game at the highest level. All you’re doing here is feeding the frustration of those P2W complainers. For the rest you can keep trying to make discussion personal, Bit pointless.
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Same Gigabyte monitor in every pic I post.
You perceive it as bragging because of your mindset. I see it as quelling doubts. I do afterall have more than one account.
And my nuts aren’t numb. They itch. Ask my wife, I am always scratching them when it embarrasses her.
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