I’m getting pretty tired of hill campers in raids, and specially when they fly with those robotic legs which you can fly with for a short time, when they go to safe spots to avoid taking damage.
I just ran 2 hard frontier raids on Crater map. First run, there were 2 hill campers, and the second run, all the other 3 were hill campers… First game I kept knocking the campers off the ledge, and one threatened to report me lol. Second run I tried my best to block the enemies from their sight lol. They can come join the fight instead!! If people join the fight, I always get out of the way, so as many have sight to shoot!
I have those chunky robotic legs that you can run fast with. It’s tiring when they just stand in the same spot, and can hit any spawns, and they kill most of the pack before I can reach them, even I run with 100+ km/h…
I get why they do it… They get more materials for that… But f’ing hell it’s annoying for the others going back and forth, and taking the damage. I do use Cyclones, but I don’t want to hill camp…
So technically I should be fine, but it’s still anoying. And must be even more frustrating for newer players who don’t have legendary equipment and robotic legs or whatever, trying to farm some materials.
IMO devs should ban the fly-legs from raids like helicoptors so that people can’t fly to safe spots (But then people probably won’t buy that pack ofc…). AND add an option to report hill camping, as it’s really annoying.
What’s your thought on hill campers, and safe spotters?
Yes this particular raid full of campers I won’t contribute much as it’s pointless for me since they kill the spawned packs before I can reach them anyway, but don’t worry they still scored lots of points as they got the eniemies all to themselves. But I guess that’s all you conclude from my post.
Other raids I’m a good team mate. Like I say, making space so others have sight to shoot aswell. Many people stand right in front of enemy vehicles, blocking the sight for others. And if I see a team mate struggle, specially with melee enemies, I knock the enemies off my team mate to protect them. And in general not leave people behind , specially in escort raids aswell, as many others just rush forward trying to kill the enemies before the rest of the team arrives.
In raids I care about my team mates having a good gaming experience aswell. But again, the campers ruin the fun for me. And I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one who are not pleased with campers and safe spotters
I don’t think it is the responsibility of your teammates to know if you are hiding behind them. You’re the one who can see the teammate in front of you, and it’s your job to find a good line of sight.
I don’t understand why so many PVE players insist on treating their teammates like opponents. Just work together to clear the raid, and stop stressing out so much about who scores the most points. The resource reward difference is not significant enough to get upset about.
except poony that this isnt the case most of the time. people purposefully get in the way and block your shots, steal kills and points from team mates instead of letting them help. alot of leg builds purposefully get in your way. are you saying its MY fault when i got a good shot on them and some leg build comes in and purposefully blocks my shot? should i have just lept into the air and magically fired down on them? or maybe haul my bumper to the middle of the enemies forcing me to take tons of damage just so i can land my shots and inconveniencing my team mates who arent total jerks about it?
common man. theres some things i agree with you on and some i dont.
i have come across these campers as well, scoring ungodly amounts of points while staying back and just pelting enemies with whirl / stillwind fire while im sitting at the base waiting for them to come within view. frontier defence is the worst raid for these guys. in raids like perimeter breach they do the same but the enemies spawn so close to us its not that big of a deal.
not tryin to be rude poony, just your view point on this is really off to me.
I agree that it’s not people’s respontability to move out of the way. But I was thinking about the situation when if you stand like 100m away and someone with a chunky vehicle is on top of the enemy vehicle, so you would have to move to the other side to be able to hit. But well, I guess it applies mostly to bosses, than the smaller enemies that goes down faster anyway, and people rarely get on top of the boss anyway ^^
But as you talk about team work, it doesn’t hurt to make way for your team mates aswell, so they can help take down the enemies
About the points/material rewards, I saw someone post about unbalanced rewards for different modes. But I also noticed that in the first round I did with the campers. I was playing normally about the first half of the game, then didn’t shoot for the rest, but I still got 220+ copper lol.
i also just read a bit of the post about the new update, and saw they have nerfed robotic legs. And the letgs that can fly, they are only able to fly straight up now, so I guess you won’t be able to fly to roof tops etc for safe spots.
The roof top campers are worse than “ground” campers imo. When I returned to crossout a couple months ago, after being away for years, I just had my old heavy slow vehicle with 3 epic machine guns and the Humpback cabin, and normal wheels. Back when I built it, it was good and ok speed, but the Humpback got nerfed, so it became much slower. But well I went to a hard raid as I used to, and went in with teammates that flew to roof tops, so I was left alone on the ground taking all the dmg, and then I didn’t last long lol. That’s not being a good team mate, hiding from damage imo ^^ But well, that’s not possible anymore it seems ^^
being a good team mate means having your allies backs and helping them out. not sitting on your rear and letting them take the fall. usually in a raid i use the free revive but sometimes i get very hard focused by enemies and specific enemies target me ALOT. for steppenwolfs its those damn cannon cars that target me all the time. for dawns children its the spark bots. you need to work together to take them down, not sit in the back like your brain dead and let your team mate die and take ungodly amounts of damage.
some people unfortunately dont know what being a good team mate means. im referring to people in raids, not poony.
Damn! But classic missions does not allow robotic legs? Or is it perhaps pvp in general?
And yeah the cannons from Steppenwolfs can deal a lot of damage if not taken down. I usually see if I can run behind the “purple” ones with cannons, and shoot the explosive modules from behind xD
And I know the feeling of all enemies targeting yourself lol
And I see so many going way ahead in escort raids, forgetting that they also spawns enemies behind the escort truck… That’s why I always check behind, specially if a smaller team mate is falling a bit behind, to help them out, so they don’t get blasted from behind!
How do you know they’re getting in your way on purpose?
Mechs are a lot taller than everyone else, so it’s easy to inadvertently block people.
I mean, the OP is mad that people hang back and snipe from hills, while you’re mad they get in your way when you want to shoot from a distance.
People play the game in different ways. Some people like rushing through raids and being in the middle of the action. Others prefer to go slower and shoot from a distance. If you’re shooting from a distance, it’s your responsibility to find the firing angle you need. If you’re rushing in and don’t have the HP and firepower to pull it off, that’s not the fault of the players going more cautiously.
I take either approach, depending on my mood and/or build. Sometimes my teammates’ approach isn’t complimentary to mine, but that’s life.
What I can’t tolerate is people deliberately trying to punish teammates who aren’t playing the way you want. The other night some guy spent the whole raid pinning and wedging me, presumably because I was playing in a way he didn’t like.
i mean i do agree here, its not right to do that to other players.
they can see that im trying to shoot an enemy, and instead of moving to the side they instead just stand there like a bump on a log and continue to be jerks. sometimes the team mate will move if they realize they are in the way, but most of the time they just stand there, to which results in me ramming them out of my way. then they get the message to move their oversized boxed rear out of my way. i dont go out of my way to sabotage team mates, however if a team mate is purposefully being a jerk then i need to put them in their place and my build can EASILY smash a leg build out of the way.
my rules are simple:
1: dont be a jerk
2: help your team mates
3: have eachothers backs
i dont ram people unless they are deliberately being a jerk. and i only ram them out of my way so they get the message. i dont sabotage them.
i want t have fun, and people being jerks isnt fun for anyone.
i wish they didnt have that stupid system of scoring higher then everyone else.
ive had this happen to me before, its rather irritating.
How are they supposed to know that you are trying to shoot an enemy if they are in front of you? I’m not looking behind me when I’m shooting raiders.
If I’m shooting at raiders, why would I move out of the way just because my allies are shooting my butt? I was there first, so the person behind me needs to find a better position.
Now that just feels like you’re sabotaging your teammates. If my teammate keeps deliberately ramming me, I am definitely not going to be nice to them. That’s antisocial behaviour in my books.
When you ram your teammates, you’re basically doing the same kind of thing.
I think you are missing my larger point.
The primary goal in a raid should be to make sure the team finishes the raid. You should not be stressing out about whether everyone scores the same, or whether you score the most.
If you need to score highest on your team to have a good time, that’s your problem. Run an OP build and play as aggressively as you can. It’s not your teammates’ job to help you score high.
When you are playing with randoms, you have to accept that they are going to play the way they want. It’s up to you to figure out how to maximize your role in the team.
Some raids I’ll be playing a fast CC build, and all my teammates are running optimized 15kPS builds. That’s fine. I know they will do more damage than me, but I also know they will soak up more incoming damage and allow me to relax. Maybe I will choose to use my superior speed and rush ahead to complete tasks while they get swarmed by raiders. Or maybe I’ll hang back and cover them while they draw all the aggro. Either way I get my win and the badges I want.
Sometimes I’m the guy with the 15kPS build, and my teammates are all in little 5kPS cars. In that case, it’s my job to soak up the incoming damage and take out as many raiders as I can, while my tiny teammates cover me and enjoy the protection of my meat shield. Am I blocking some of their shots? Of course I am, but I’m also blocking all the shots that would be aimed at them, and ensuring that we actually finish the raid without buying repair kits.
The only bad teammates are ones that get in the way of winning: quitting early, ramming and pinning teammates in fits of rage, ignoring objectives, or just not helping.
Worrying about how high you score is not in the spirit of a cooperative mode. But if that’s important to you, it’s up to you to figure out how to get that high score. It’s not your teammates’ job to help you get that high score. Their job is just to contribute as much as they can to winning the raid.
If you can’t deal with people blocking your shots, get to the front. If you can’t deal with your team hiding behind you and shooting from a distance, go to the back. You are the master of your own destiny here, but you are not in charge of your team. Your job is to react to them and use them as effectively as you can.
But you also have to accept that if everyone wants to be up front playing aggressively that we’re going to bash into each other. And if we all hang back, we’re going to get in each other’s way too.
in 90% of cases this isnt the way it goes. i was shooting an enemy and someone just walks into my line of fire blocking my shots. you cant say “i was in this position first” because they werent. i was there shooting the enemy and they walked in front of me and camped there blocking my shots.
i am not. i ram them out of my way because if they get in the way to much its the only way they learn.
and by your own logic THEY are sabotaging me by blocking my line of fire to the enemy, so its fair game imo.
i know this, BUT this comes into the factor of, im trying to help my team mates but they keep getting in my way. like lets say 4 enemies are on my team mate and i am trying to help by firing at the enemies, well some guy on BWL will come in and just get in my way on the target im trying to destroy and just be a jerk about it. he sees me firing at the enemy and he knows im trying to help my team but decides anyways to just get in the way on purpose and not let me do my job of protecting my team. another example is my allies with BWL literally face hugging the enemy in a corner with long range weapons like retchers or cyclones. it seems to be a trend for people to block others who have high damage output weapons on purpose. i run 2 cyclones and a joule and another build with 3 fortunes. it is extremely common for people on BWL to get in the way and block my shots. its not just this, i seen people running porcs having the same issues, team mates getting in the way and running in front of their team mates causing them to self damage themselves to. ever since that change to porcs and fortunes where they detonate upon contact with your team mates this has become a problem to a very concerning degree.
i dont care about my score, i care about helping my team mates and finishing the raid poony. but how can i do that when other people only think about themselves?
in wider maps i dont usually have alot of issues with BWL but on closed in maps like terminal 45 or… lost coast? sometimes they have tight areas with not alot of room to fire and these areas i understand its not really viable to be spread out to much. but at times even on larger and more open maps they do get in the way.
i have been running frontier defence a bit and comparing that to perimeter breach and it has a much lower count of people getting in the way.
idc about scoring the highest. i get my reward either way.
i suppose. but what im trying to say is that before i rarely if ever had an issue with people getting in the way like that. in the past, sure there were team mates who did get in the way at times but it wasnt a big deal. ever since BWL came into the picture it just seems that people purposefully get in the way more. thats what it seems like to me.
also if im playing with a lower ps player i usually take the time to strip the boss of guns and let the other player of lower ps destroy the boss for more points and resources while i focus on stripping / destroying the remaining enemies so they can get some extra stuff.
also i dont pin people or drive them around the map when ramming, i just ram them moving them slightly and then they usually move, if i flip them i help them back up. im not that much of a jerk.
Fair enough, but I do think you are making a lot of assumptions about the motivations of other players.
Maybe I’m a bad players, but when I play raids, I don’t really pay attention to where my teammates are, unless they’re in my way or bumping into me. I’m focused on the raiders.
That probably means I’m blocking people all the time without even realizing it, especially when playing a mech build.
I think what is happening is that mechs are just a lot taller and bigger, and because of that, they can easily unintentionally block people who are behind them. I don’t think it’s deliberate in most cases, just people getting excited to shoot some raiders. There’s no reason to assume someone is doing it on purpose.
But while we’re on the topic of pet peeves in PVE, I wish people wouldn’t hug my rear so much. Typically I will start reversing as raiders get closer to me, mostly to maintain my firing angle. But so much of the time, my mech gets tripped up on someone who is using me as a meat shield (or maybe someone who is cursing me for blocking them).
I think we could all give each other more space, although that’s harder to do on some maps.
oh that happens to me so much i could make tons of memes out of it. back up to avoid fire from cannons only to have some guy behind me using me as cover and forcing me to take damage.
buddy, unless your paying me to be your personal meat shield, dont hide behind me unless you wane me to put my heavy ass vehicle to use and push you like your made of a feather.
i do find it funny when BWL do that though, my builds lower to the ground so their cab ends up getting hit anyways lol.
to combat this in return i use THEM as a meat shield… sometimes lol.
thing is in smaller more narrow maps its really unavoidable to be behind someone or in front of someone. if its in a big map, yeah thats a jerk move.
