Too exceed 10,000 power score for BFU. I would much rather use my four fused pythons over my three fused grenadiers, but I need the power score boost. I had to replace the Bootstrap with my Apollo and add a Boom Stick. I would rather use the 24 energies for four weapons than three, plus the lower power score for the same 24 energy.
Also, when challenges require a number of destroyed parts or to exceed a certain amount of damage, then the grenadiers complete those challenges in less time than turrets.
Back to the topic, were these parts available for ten dollars in a battle pass? These sound like battle pass items that I chose not to buy.
For ten bucks you get all this legendary stuff, right? Another 10 bucks for the mini pass and you get the previous stuff right? $20.00-40.00 to catch up to the pack?
That is not $400.00.
Grinding is just playing the game. How is that wasting your time, if you enjoy playing the game?
I’ve grinded out everything I have, other than the items from the main BPs, which didn’t cost me much.
Like what’s even the point of getting items if you think playing the game is a chore?
I find around 12k ps to be the best spot to play, where relics usually have to run glass cannon builds, epics can beef up their builds to the maximum and legendary builds are a thing I guess
Like playing higher ps is only logical, like you have a gun with downsides, then you use specific parts to get around the downsides, end up with optimized build at high ps. Like Lucifers as an example, the “real” Lucifer experience is a high speed build with maximum reload speed and buffed rotation speed and if you can, some protection for the guns because they have no hp, and a way to buff the damage a little so they actually do anything at a place like 12k ps range (fighting 16 k builds every other match because the playerbase is slowly draining away)
playing the game and grinding for relics is different, it will take many thousands of hours of gameplay to achieve anything.
first off you need to get into BFU to grind, you already need at least a 10k build. and then you have to play for months or years to get a high PS build out of it.
the bad thing is that even though BFU / CW is fun, all these gamemodes are volatile and there is no alternative gamemode to switch it up either
you definitely dont get relics for 20 bucks, all you get is the most recent p2w parts and usually a single new weapon (aka you cant even use it).
relics are probably cheaper than $400, but they do cost that much according to the official price conversion
Apollo is dirt cheap though and it’s only 1 energy difference…
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Either way, you’re just playing the game, and that’s a fun way to pass the time.
Will it take a long time? Sure. Doesn’t make it a waste of time, unless you don’t enjoy playing the game.
No you don’t. While getting a small handful of uranium from BfU is probably more profitable than playing normal PVP or PVE (depending on how long it takes you to get to Gold), you are gaining resources (grinding) no matter what mode you play.
Grinding does not specifically mean winning all the specific resources to craft something from matches. Selling whatever resources you win to then buy an item is also grinding.
You could play at 3kPS and eventually get enough coins to buy a relic.
I doubt I’ve grinded out more than 100 uranium from BfU (sold it all as soon as I had enough to put it on the market), but if I sold a lot of the stuff I’ve acquired through grinding I could buy relics. I don’t do this, because I would rather have lots of items than a handful of high end items.
Now if you want to grind out relics quickly, you should probably be playing CW, but that doesn’t mean that doing it the slow way is a waste of time. Unless you don’t actually enjoy playing.
What are you talking about? You always get enough lighters/bearings to get a set of legendary weapons (if you want them), and I’m usually able to grind out the resources to craft another one on top of that.
Anyway, “catching up to the pack” does not have to mean getting relics. Fused legendaries are definitely competitive at all levels, and you don’t have to spend much to get those.
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but odin isnt dirt cheap despite only giving 1 energy more which sometimes makes all the difference in a build
i could achieve anything in the world if i simply forgot about having a life, turned myself into a robot and started grinding towards whatever.
yeah i enjoy playing matchmaking / bfu / cc / cw sometimes, but there isnt a slight chance i will ever play enough to get a relic in a reasonable time frame.
depends who youre playing with and against.
in a favorable matchup, a legendary build can beat relics. but in a “fair” matchup, legendary weapons have no chance against any competent relic player.
if we compare to other greedy games or to relics, then you could say fused legendaries are “cheap”.
although this ignores actually getting a build to hold the weapons
I only have 1 setup that NEEDS an Odin to work… and even then I could swap my Cheetah for a Dun Horse if I really needed to
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its a pretty big advantage in high PS if you use it well, and pair that with relic weapons and very overpriced fused modules
You are describing a scenario that only a small percentage of Crossout players ever face. Most people are not playing in the range where Odin is used, let alone where it gives a real advantage.
I think this whole discussion depends totally on what you get enjoyment from.
Some of us enjoy the basic mechanics of building and playing. Getting new stuff just gives us more options and keeps things from being too repetitive, but for someone like me, a relic isn’t going to make the game more fun for me than a new epic item.
Other people are much more focused on getting to the endgame, and more focused on acquiring the highest tier items. They find playing and building to be a bit of a chore, and get most of their pleasure from acquiring things. For them, it’s more like a shopping simulator than a combat/building simulator.
For those people, the pace of the grind impairs their ability to get pleasure from the game, because they’re not able to accumulate the most expensive items quickly enough, and can’t get enough pleasure from working with and acquiring the other items.
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Say you had this ideal weapon, cabin, equipment set-up to where you are the most effective build with your weapons at your power score, the meta for your playstyle, but you are missing one energy and have to sacrifice this one part, placing you just under the meta and lowering your expected power score. Could you not still be effective?
Would everyone at your power score have god meta vehicles and you are useless?
Do you require a 100 percent win rate?
Would not playing this weapon still be fun? Even if it is below meta?
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Completely false, Finwhale/Jackie/Oma are modules that flat out multiply gun hp/dps into a higher rarity. Slapping any of these modules on a build almost guarantees its user is winning a 1v1. Someone without these modules is never going to have a fair fight no matter how hard they try, and these modules are effective even with special weapons. If some noob is trying to farm fuel it takes one or two enemies w/ these P2W modules to shit all over his fuel farming session and there’s nothing he can do.
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I would definitely Add Aquillo too. I don’t have one and we could have identical builds but the aquillo enemy will win a 1v1 90%
The modules aren’t necessarily the problem tho. Just lack of supply, or especially stuck behind paid passes.
If we could craft everything, alot od people wouldn’t complain.
As for ODIN, you can’t start trying CW without odin and Fused legendary weapons. Not to mention the other op modules listed.
You can try, winning however lol
if you get killed by p2w weapons or only face higher PS, its not just shopping simulator players who are going to realise they have a shit build and need to upgrade it or leave.
also low tier is plagued by smurfs who use the exact same expensive parts (just not relics) and builds with only epic parts rarely compete
relics win CW. i have a build with only legendary parts so its not a surprise the enemy barely has to try to kill me, unless its a fair isolated 1v1
I don’t play CW, but the serious competitive players who do seem to disagree with you. According to them, there are a lot of relatively affordable builds that can compete at the CW level, if you have the skills.
Sure, those at the top are going to have the top gear. Doesn’t mean you can’t win a match without Odin.
Again, that is how you feel, not how me and others experience the game.
When I get killed by a player running items that I can’t afford, I just go back to my garage and start trying to build something that’s more effective against the current meta.
For me, that is fun, and why I’m am playing the game. For you, it’s frustrating, and why you hate the game. We are just different people with different personalities.
For me it is different. I made a fortune during a battle pass with quasars. I can afford the ten dollars a pass and the thirty dollars for the mini passes per main battle pass. My stockpile of coins could buy any weapon I desire. I just do not desire them.
Another way I am different is I kill enemy and their fancy weapons with fused Pythons. Under nine thousand power score and these vehicles with expensive weapons and movement items and cabins do not have much HP. They have to sacrifice somewhere to stay below 9000.
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even if you enjoy the challenge of building and going against new metas, it doesnt make the game less p2w.
im not saying its bad to have a challenge, the game would be pointless if there was no challenge in pvp.
but selling p2w parts to players isnt a valid way to make pvp a challenge.
remember the shotgun brick meta? generally i enjoyed playing against them as a challenge, but if you ever wanted to take a break and do pvp against anything else, there would always be bricks everywhere because they were overpowered.
at that point it wasnt a fun challenge, it was a chore.
so im not saying pvp against better builds or even relics isnt fun (except when going against something you physically cant win against), but there are identical builds with identical parts everywhere, all using the same parts. its not an occasional fun challenge, its a shitshow
Bruh so true. Not to mention these p2w whales tend to group up together.
Meaning 90% of games they literally cannot lose.
P2w clans vs p2w clans is fine but that’s never the case in regular pvp. Its clans vs solo’s at all power scores.
I only have luck playing as a heli, lower ps