That is the Life of a Crossout Bot.
You mostly have double the HP of players and you can see cloaked enemies even when they are behind cover, without having a radar equipped of course.
Your weapons never miss, unless they are slow projectiles at a very long range.
All these Gamebreaking Cheats and yet you still rush forward every match and die first 
Long live human ingenuity.
It applies to some players too. It looks like SupremeRaider_ and CIaw are very much safe, because theyâre still around.
If you trace these playersâ positioning by following the minimap, youâll notice that they werenât likely to see me before I cloaked up. But did they even know I was cloaked?
I recreated SupremeRaider_âs movements in a custom balttle, and I discovered that shot was taken through a narrow space between two buildings that were in the middle of the Scorpion projectilesâ path.
CIaw had a Listener - if itâs hard to discern in the YT version. And of course, in both cases, someone else on the team couldâve had a Doppler. But that doesnât explain what happened.
CIaw could only see me for maybe half a second at 04:55, as he was flying out from behind the building. Letâs say that he zoomed in on that cliffside under the future-train rails, because he knew thatâs the spot to look at. Letâs say that he saw me. Yet, he chose to fly behind the containers upon the cliff, and all the way to its other side. At 04:50, he started to move back, flew out from behind the containers, and at 04:47, while beginning to duck back behind the containers, fired the shots, which flew for some half a second, to almost hit me at 04:46.
If he did see me for that fraction of a second:
a) Why didnât he stay put and start pre-aiming? Thatâs around 8 seconds of prime aiming time wasted. Unless he didnât need to stay there, because the whole time he knew exactly where I was.
b) How could he see me, if he didnât have a scope? This is a frame from the version on my HDD, before YT transcoded the file and reduced the quality. It shows what may look like a colossus. With 3 Executioners, thatâs 16 energy points.
In both cases, it could be the âradar hack.â Supposedly a hacked XBox controller can be used to intercept player data, such as their position, and that data can be displayed by the user. In case someone should misunderstand, it has nothing to do with the detectors. Iâve been using a Doppler upgraded for more range of detection in cover since 2017, and I consider it the most useful module in the game, more than any weapon. So I know how the detectors work.
Iâm not posting any links about the âradar hack,â in case it could be considered helping to popularize this type of hack. But the information is out there, e.g., on Reddit (I guess I need to provide some details, just not very specific).
I reported both players, but nothing happened.
However, there is another possibility⌠Both SupremeRaider_ and CIaw are, indeed, bots. Put in the game to provide ample challenge. And this universe is a simulation. Who am I then? Am I ârealâ? That is, do I exist as a biological person outside of the simulation? How can I even begin to investigate this, if I canât even be sure if the laws of physics are the same? It would stand to reason that the physics in this universe would be much simpler than in the one outside of it. Eric Winestain has recently said that there are 7 dimensions of space and 7 dimensions of time.
a) OK, but thatâs regarding this universe. The one outside of it would have more dimensions.
b) The physics outside this simulated universe could be so different, with some very types of properties that canât be inferred based on our physics.
c) Heâs also most likely part of the simulation, of the content to be experienced by the player. So maybe what he said was just a diversion, sometihng I can use my time here to spend on.
d) Joe Roganâs podcasts may not be some archive from humankindâs history, but, perhaps, just more randomly generated content.
How to tell whoâs a ârealâ person in a simulation? Letâs start with a list of who could be encountered in one.
- Real people. If there are more than one, one player could mess with another playerâs experience. People would more likely pay for a game where they wouldnât be bullied by other players - which would be critical with something so realistic.
- Sentient âsoftware personsâ placed there by a civilization that doesnât care about what happens to them. Theyâre electronic counterparts of real human minds, they are very much human, except they only exist as software. And this civilization is so cruel that there are no laws to protect the well-being, or mental comfort, of electronic persons. A player could do anything to them, but it doesnât matter.
- Sentient âsoftware personsâ placed in the simulation by someone who was able to hack it, because they wanted a more realistic experience. Interacting with limited software wasnât enough, the player wanted actual humans, in an electronic form. But that civilization considers it unethical, so itâs illegal.
- Software sophisticated enough to create an illusion of interacting with human minds, but itâs not actually sentient, so the playersâ craziest, most inhumane actions canât harm anyone.
Iâd assume the fourth possibility to be the most likely. But how can I be certain of that? I donât even know if anything in this universe is a reliable representation of whatâs outside of it, from the very laws of physics, through things like biology of the organisms inhabiting it, to the various social and cultural norms.
If these two players are bots, does this constitute proof of the simulation theory?
As a bonus, hereâs Eric Winestain talking about his 7+7 dimensional theory.
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How do you know they didnât have a Verifier or Oculus?
Also even without those radars if I see someone cloak going a certain direction itâs not too hard to gauge where theyâll be⌠there are many routes and corridors which people take. You went up that little incline on that side of the map twice, if you follow that natural pathing then you go down the hill again and into that ditch, so Iâd argue that firing there is the natual thing to do if they could see you on the radarâŚ
Many time when I see someone cloak on the radar I can see where they were facing and work out the most natural route they will take and pre fire spotsâŚ
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Seems like necrodigging in here. Anyway, not that hard to make good shots with scorps when you got big monitor, 1-st day after i got 27 inch full hd monitor after playing on 15.6 inch laptop, i was called cheater twice + oculus helps, same with blind shots. Canât count how many times i shot someone from invisibility, we got patch for it arenât we. Fused Dopler can cover most maps, fully to the enemy respawn
In both cases, my car was in cover when cloaking, and for a few seconds prior to that. If you go to Naukograd and retrace my movements, as well as the cheatersâ movements, youâll see where the obstructions were, and where I could potentially have been seen. So then I keep driving in cover, cloak up, leave cover, and they donât know if Iâll go over the hill, in front of it, or behind it. Iâm cloaked, and the Verifier doesnât show location precisely enough. As for using the minimap for aiming, oneâd have to be peering closely at it, to find that exact spot/route where to expect an enemy, while at the same time looking more or less at the center of the screen, in order to aim the crosshairs. Itâs impossible to coordinate sniping by the minimap like this, in such a short time. These cheaters were waiting for me to appear in those spots while I was cloaked because their precious cheats were showing me to them.
The white blob from the Oculus/Verifier is too big for such precise tracking at that range. Yet, they amost hit me.
SupremeRaider_ could have seen me for 1 second, then I was in cover for 4 seconds, then cloaked up, and the shots hit the ground arond 3.5 seconds later, just as I emerged from cover.
As for Ciaw, I was around 150 m away from IdraITA right before he started turning toward me. He has the Verifier unlocked. It would make sense that he had a Verifier in that battle. And Ciaw wouldâve received that data. But that doesnât explain how he almost hit my car after only seeing it on the minimap for 9 seconds. And IdraITAâs Verifier has not been upgraded to this day. I just asked him, and thatâs what he said. If he has it from the Founders Battle Pass, that one was pre-upgraded for regular dtection range, not invisibility detection precision.
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After 7 and 9 seconds, respectively?
Now youâre contradicting yourself, thank you. You canât track someone at that range precisely, because they can go over the hill, in front of it, or behind it. At different speeds, and not necessarily in a straight line. 7-9 seconds after maybe seeing them with your eyes, and 3-5 seconds after they become a white blob on the radar - good luck.
I didnât. Only in the second video. Did you play it at all?
But you just said above that âthere are many routes and corridors which people take.â So itâs natural for people to go every which way, and it canât be predicted where theyâll go? 
Youâre just making this up, trying to look cool. Youâre trolling, basically. And itâs not the first time. But you got a like from a person that has admitted to only reading headlines, and nother one from an Oculus sniper. And that counts for something. Too bad I canât have a look at your profile on that console. Or maybe you have some videos showing intense competitive gameplay?
OK, so on a 27-inch monitor, your eyes manage to jump between the center of the screen and the bottom-right corner, and youâre able to hit enemies with 2 Scorpions? At what trange? Because this is some 200 meters away. After maybe glimpsing them with oneâs eyes for 1 second, and then tracking them for 4-5 seconds with the Doppler, and next, for 3-5 seconds with the Verifier. Iâve ben using the minimap extensively since 2017, and I canât do that. Itâs impossible to shoot with the accuracy shown in th videos:
a) at a target that disappears behind cover, cloaks up 4-5 seconds later, and remains invisible for 3-5 seconds,
b) to then emerge from behind cover, but it can only be seen as a big white blob on the minimap,
b) at around 200 m.
The Oculus doesnât help with anything thatâs invisible and more than 173 m away. I know this because Iâve had one upgraded for more range of detecting invisibility since 2020. But now you know too. 
These cheaters didnât decloak me. They almost hit me - which should tell the moderators what kinds fo cheats they were using. And from their movements, you can see they knew exactly what they were doing. In the second video, you can see how well coordinated it was. Ciaw knew exactly where to expect me, and when, because he was moving the whole time, and changing direction. My videos are in 1440p, which should be just right for your big monitor.
I have been using a Doppler upgraded for more range of detection in cover since 2017. Itâs my most useful item. I know everything there is to know about it. And my Verifier is upgraded for more invisibility detection range. Also, the first upgrade set I rolled on the Verifier included +20 invisibility detection precision, so I know that itâs not very useful even at close range.
And youâre talking about sniping at some 200 m just by using data from the Doppler, and then the Verifier. Itâs not possible. And if Iâm wrong, show me a video.
I have been using a Heather car in raids for over 6 months now, and I do my best to be accurate using Doppler readings shown on the minimap, as well an upgraded Iris. So yes, I can hit moving targets with those big explosions. But after I lose visual of targets, it gets exponentially harder with every second, especially if they cloak up. (And I had to switch to 2 Heaters because after usng 2 Incinerators for years, I found myself losing too many points to AC bitches that will park up on the Craterâs edge and imagine they look cool exploiting broken game mechanics.)
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Iâm not even a great shot, and even I manage to predict positions of cloaked enemies and hit them.
Plus, cloak has been nerfed a bit, so if you are driving fast you are still a bit visible.
And 200 meters is just not that far.
There may be cheaters, but the nature of how we build vehicles in Crossout makes aimbots less useful than other games.
I feel this was resurrected because of my bit about suspicious decloaking in CW. I was talking about a full hover scorp squad nailing 4/4 decloaks in 2 seconds, straight into the cab from the other side of Founderâs Canyon. These vids donât strike me as massively shocking.
From 200 meters, like in the videos I linked above? And the targets disapper behind cover, so you can only see them on radar for 4-5 seconds, then they cloak up, and for 3-5 seconds can only be seen as white blobs, if you have an invisibility detector. And then they leave cover, and you are able to hit them after not seeing them for 7 and 9 seconds, respectively. Because this is what happened in these videos.
But not from 200 meters. You should know that.
Not far for what? Glimpse a fast-moving target for 1 second, lose sight of it for 7-9 seconds, and then try to guess where it is. Out of which 4-5 seconds shown by a detector, and next 3-5 seconds by an invisibility detector. Itâs impossible. Only cheaters can do that. Show me a video to disprove it.
I didnât even know you created such a topic. No, I linked this analysis somewhere you didnât see, and the trolls decided to have some fun. Maybe link your topic if itâs important. Definitely if it has a video link.
Show the video. I want to see if the targets drove behind cover, to then only be visible on radar for 4-5 seconds, and next, still in cover, cloaked for 3-5 seconds before the suspicious shots were fired. I want to see the video.
Losing visual of targets for 7 and 9 seconds, respectively, when theyâre moving at a higher speed, along unknown paths, on uneven terrain that in turn causes the speed (and the paths) to vary, and then almost hitting them doesnât stand out. It does to me.
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Absolutely incorrect, if I had a eye tracker you could see my eyes on the minimap so damn often⌠I flick back and forth so much, almost passively driving by knowing where I am.
I can see someone cloak up on one side of the map and have a very good guess at the most natural route they will take, itâs also why when I cloak myself I take different routes and pull U-turns when behind cover and cloaking when I know someone if watching out for me.
There is no way you can say that going here is not a pretty obvious route:
On top of this I could argue that the angle in which you cloaked would have had you further to the right and side, meaning that the shot fired would have more than likely made contact with you if you had taken a more obvious path⌠your slight left angle may have actually saved you getting hit by the enemy who made a good estimate.
In your second clip you follow the lines of the hill, you go up the one side and back down the other, you follow the route perfectly and they were correct to take their shot at that location:
You once again hung left and didnât follow the route as perfectly as your attacker thought you may have, again saving you from being hit.
Their shots are well times and thought out, the split second someone cloaks I can tell where theyâre going to go and it only takes a moment to look up and see if you have a shot to that location, even less with weapons with fast projectile speed.
Yes I also have a 27 inch monitor and 1 second is too long for a quick glance letâs be real. Iâll actually go and see if I have any clips doing something similar to what youâve shown, ironically if my clips are older then Iâd have been on a 32 inch TV lol
They are in 1440p but the mini map is super compressed, I donât know if itâs just YouTube but Iâll assume so⌠makes it a bit of a pain to see.
No, just because there are a lot of routes doesnât mean you predict them all. You predict the most obvious depending on the situation - If someone isnât engaged in a fight or if you know they wonât be expecting opposition (start of the game etc) then itâs safe to assume they will take the most obvious route.
If youâre mid fight and they cloak, itâs safer to assume they may try to trick you and U-turn or go another direction as theyâre expecting you to be on guard for their attacks. All situations are different and require different thought processes. Itâs all about the mind games sometimes - many times I cloak and sit still, people really never expect it and forget that a cloaks shimmer distance is based upon speed.
I guess youâve convinced me that you really believe there were no cheates involved in these videos. And Iâll continue to disagree.
It is, but prior to that, I was in cover for 4 seconds. The enemies could only see me on the map for those 4 seconds, then I cloaked, and 3 seconds later the shot was taken. My speed was changing by a lot during that time. So you really mean to say that SupremeRaider_ was tracking me on the map. Iâm still convinced that shot was too good.
The placement of that shot was perfect, and I only arrived at the spot too late. Turning left was leading me right into it.
So itâs possible to guess from a white blob, from a Verifier without the precision upgrade (that may not have mattered anyway), that I wasnât driving behind the hill?
Thatâs be great.
I can establish the enemiesâ positions just based on the YT videos. But I could upload both videos to a file sharing service, either in the source resolution of 1280x800, or in 1400p, if you want. Iâm not enjoying dragging this out so much, but if you really want to get to the bottom of this, I could upload them.
The first video is from 2020.11.06, the second one from 2021.09.24. IIRC, the invisibility nerf was sometime in 2022. But I donât believe invisibility shimmers from 200 m even now.
I now checked SupremeRaider_'s profile: 0 (zero) friends, unclanned (with 3384 WC battles completed). For such a talented player. Doesnât have to mean anything, some just play for fun. While Ciaw/Claw talks big, a kind of troll from the âcool club.â That doesnât equal cheating, either. But Iâm not the only one that suspects him of cheating. In late 2022, I had a long conversation with another player about Ciaw/Claw, which reminded me I had the video, so I finally posted it.
I tend to play devilâs advocate on things a lot where possible, I think itâs always better to look at the other perspectives and see any plausible deniability. I bet there are cheaters in Crossout⌠many in fact as itâs not a massive game, but I donât think these clips are definitive proof of anything.
Yes and 4 seconds is a long time.
So if they were cheating why didnât they hit you perfectly both times?
its funny,itâs not that players are cheating,but the game it self it cheating.â
It is. In such a dynamic situation, it changes everything.
Maybe their cheats only showed some red rectangle imposed on, or surrounding my car. The shots landed too close for guessing.
Maybe.
You went from âgod visionâ to âmaybeâ pretty quick I guess⌠itâs not able to be proven⌠sadly Iâm not on PC to have witnessed anything suspicious.
Perhaps die and spectate them, record their movement and reticle location and try to spot suspicious things, this would be more damning evidence imo.
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I donât quite follow?
you do
That was only ever meant as a catchy ironic title. I didnât intend to suggest specifically they could actually fully see my carâs 3D model through structures. I donât know how the cheats available for Crossout work exactly. I know itâs possible to intercept player position data using a hacked XBox controller, a âradar hack,â which is mentioned after the analysis part. The player I talked to in late 2022 told me about it, and then I found a general description of how it works on the Internet. So I would guess that only having someoneâs position data in 3D would show the cheater some simple indicator, like a red or green rectangle. Maybe more, depending on how much data can be intercepted that way.
If we know that only very simple data can be obtained, e.g. player position in 3D, it would explain how they knew where I was, even while cloaked, but they couldnât pin-point my location, due to the simplified nature of the data displayed. Itâs called a âradar hack,â so maybe it only shows the cheater an overlay based on data used for the displaying of player position on the map and the minimap, i.e., a pair of coordinates, and thatâs it. And maybe it then transforms it into a quasi-3D overlay with some depth representation, but itâs stll not accurate, because itâs only based on said coordinates.
About cheating and botting:
Players that are smarter dont cheat all the time, and it doesnt mean they are not good at the game, which makes it harder to tell when they do.
However, having 10k hours in the game helps a lot being able to distinguish with high success rate a bot shot from a player shot.
Having played in high leagues and being shot by a lot of actualy good players also helps.
I dont like talking without proof, so i cannot officialy confirm cheating by anyone but i can tell you some of the mentioned players here are pretty high on my suspicious list.
And there are more, not a lot but there are a few, some of them easier to tell than others.
Boter favorite gun is scorpion but there are some that use cheats on other guns too.
Im not going to reveal anything i dont have proof of ofcourse, but just to give you an idea of how high it can go, i have unofficial confirmation about a gold clan leader aimboting on pc, aswell as leader of a past high silver clan that is not longer playing the game.
I havent decided it since i didnt have the means, but now that i do, i may come back one day with actual proof.
Iâll just add my two cents to the discussion:
-Based on these videos, I have no reason to suspect cheating. Predicting movement is a basic FPS skills, and these guys MISSED. They were close, but if they were cheating, theyâre pretty bad at it. Anyone who played Q3 for a couple weeks predicts like that or better, or ragequit the game because they couldnât hit crap with any weapon besides the Shotgun.
-Iâve always been a legit player, and my pride and joy on CS was to get banned from servers for cheating. Not by a crappy anticheat system, but by the owner(s) of a server. After getting banned a couple times for suspicions of wallhacking (Iâm not going to pretend anyone ever believed I was autoaiming lol) during regular gameplay, I started to go around servers with a Scout, smacking people in the head through walls and crates until I earned an unfair ban. You wouldnât believe how often you can get called a cheater/day if you really put some efforts into it.
I even got permabanned of my fav server back in the days 
I do not believe in cheaters in XO outside of the highest CW levels. I was a longtime Tarkov player too who quit because of cheaters.
A lot of ppl do believe I am cheating. Iâve had squads of sweats haccuse me plenty of times. I canât and donât want to convince them otherwise for my own egoâs sake.