Cheating allowed

well if your first comment after being away from the forum since October is this…
"Really? Show me where I said that. You can’t. If your going to say BS, make sure you can back it up’‘’ .'that should sum it up,but it gets worse…

‘You have to get your minimum score and you know that. Just because you’re an art builder that don’t know how to play the game, you can at least act like you do. Maybe you should invest in some plastic model kits. At least it would be something an old man is good at.’

this forum was fine until you came back…‘true life’ :kissing_heart: bye again :monkey: sorry pall :rofl: :crazy_face: stop fighting with everyone Monkey…it’s tastless…

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You are partially right, truth is born of arguments. I just started to observe changes in the game. Changes that don’t seem right. And started spectating more. Based on the observations and some ingame conversations I came to a conclusion that amount of cheaters bursted considerably. So I came to this thread to provide my observations and arguments and to discuss. But discuss based on arguments like screenshots and videos. And my case is mostly about playing on mouse+keyboard. But instead of normal discussion I got mostly emotions like “you are wrong”.
Also I hoped that it may attract attention of the game representatives, maybe they could give some comments like “here is just latency, here is a cheater” or anything. I report most of the suspicious players I spectate (never report without spectating, so I don’t report players from the enemy team). I don’t know what else I can do except reporting ingame and discussing on the forum.

Pizza grease on the mouse scroll, and salsa in the keyboard over here.

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Ran into my first Actual cheater last week. Guy was focusing people through walls, and their Distructers where firing at targets faster then they could rotate.

After a few matches. I realized steam was downloading something in the back ground and the guy was just good. Aka lag on my end plus good player made it look like the guy was cheating.

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Good cheaters are usually not obvious though tbh

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to be fair,all the cheaters were in clanwars and they got booted…
all you see now in pvp pve is the game cheating.thats all i see. :kissing_heart:

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Yup, that’s another way companies get you with “brand names”
The same items can and are made in the same factory by even the same people but one is an off-brand that for example sells for 29.99$ and the “brand name” sells for 89.99$ but are the same, same parts and labour!
So when I hear just don’t buy cheap, buy brand name I chuckle most of the time, another section of the market that produces garbage be it the off-brand or brand name is the fridge and freezer market
Most of those including the so-called brand names last for 2 to 4 years before breaking down or till right after the warranty is done (done on purpose)

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So the pointless schoolyard drama still going on… I’ve seen less :poop: on a farm, and I live 20 minutes away from one!

That’s the best option as we other forum goers can’t do squat, and some may even take offense to you calling others cheaters on here, I don’t care my point was nothing can be done on this forum by arguing with other forum goers

Avoid Elite controllers. The heavier sticks with iron magnets wear them out faster. The same software to tighten them up works on regular controllers.

I go through a keyboard and mouse per year on average. Until I got a mechanical keyboard. It might be because of my hand though, not the keyboards. I kinda use my nubbies to slam the keys cuz I don’t have feeling in them. Same with right click on mouse, I bang it against the slide on my keyboard shelf.

I also went through similar amounts of paddles as you. Though I usually break the right trigger, I push it against the edge of my desk.

I’ve only had this one keyboard now for 4 years or so, it is mechanical… my mouse is doing fine but I have worn out the grips on the left and right side quite heavily but that’s no real issue for me.

Lol I’ve totally hit my mouse on my keyboard before, I run low sensitivity and sometimes you want to turn just that little bit more without lifting the mouse.

Well on the old controllers the bumper buttons were really weird and I think they’ve fixed it now. The bumpers actually use a thin bit of plastic to actually touch the button inside the controller. I found this picture.

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Just above the second arrow you can see that what looks like silver strip. That strip is just a think bit of plastic and it’s very tightly bent over other components, so constantly hard pressing on the bumper would cause it to sheer off where it attatched to the actual bumper because it was such a weak spot…

So LB being my handbrake in Crossout just destroyed it lol

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Yeah. I do it because Im missing half my hand and have to use my nubs to hold the paddle and work the stick with my thumby. There simply isn’t anything left to hit the trigger/bumper on the right side.

oddly it makes me feel better that i am not going through paddles at an exceeding rate over someone that I look at as a “great” player.

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Honestly there is no moderation in this game at all. Any chat related reporting does absolutely nothing and it seems like anything that has to do with cheating etc does not work as well.

Never seen anyone get banned from this game, even if I seem to run into people doing bannable stuff almost daily. And it’s even the same players you already know by name by now, because that is how long they have been allowed to do their thing.

Only instance I have even noticed of any kind of moderation was when they announced something in the news about banning cheating players, that was pre-supercharged.

The battle passes and game management already have been absolute anus these past few years and I believe that no moderative actions have been taken during those times in any direction. It’s like all the competent people have been fired and we’re left with a few numbnuts running everything.

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Share some thoughts.
Lets analyse this video:

Several times it was said here that those cheaters I share are actually not cheaters but game gods and it is a matter of latency. Yes, there is obviously a latency… But.
But first of all it should be not more than 0.1 second since I play on a server that is quite near (not on the US servers):

Then lets look into the video. The chain of laser shots hits the enemy while the cursor is away. But if it is just a matter of latency then the cursor should get to the point where shots landed after some delay. And it gets somewhere there but with a delay of about 0.4 second which is too long to be a network latency.

And the main thing. Weapons are rotated toward the enemy. So my spectator game client knows where the weapons are aiming but not the player crosshair - their directions are different. That is not a cheat only and only if the player’s crosshair that a spectator sees is not bound to the real weapon direction. Not goes behind with some network-based delay but is really not showing the player’s real cursor. But such a thing may be implemented only intentionally and that is believable only if developers could confirm that weapons are showing the real player cursor direction but crosshair doesn’t.
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And one more example breaking the idea that spectator sees player’s cursor with delay:

Here the player start aiming that the target after about a second after he started hitting it (weapons where oriented toward the target all that time).

I am impressed with how committed you are to your theory, despite everyone telling you this is normal, and just a glitch with the spectator view.

Incidentally, isn’t it pretty recently that we were given the ability to even see crosshairs when spectating?

Some people like to argue (drama) or press their point across enough in hopes to getting others to agree with them, be it if they’re wrong or not

It’s not been too long since we could spectate this way and tbh it really shows how out of date the devs must be… I could spectate players from their own view since the early 2000s or so and in 2023 their version is still scuffed.

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There’s been some interesting research into how attempts to counter misinformation can actually lead people to commit even harder to their positions, which raises some obvious problems in trying to counter misinformation.

This is normal spectating /endthread.

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The funny thing is… I may be a stubborn idiot. But who are you if you are commenting me again and again?
I’ll keep posting some most fascinating examples from time to time.
Nothing to say about matches when my team sees the enemy team from the beginning which is also not a rare case. Maybe that is also normal ))