Dude, you are way too easily triggered.
Can you make a rational argument about why this would hurt the game in any way?
So far we have Mud saying that despite his many years of experience, he still needs to have an advantage over new players to compete at 4kPS. And we have you losing your mind over the idea that you might not be able to dominate new high PS players so easily if you didn’t have an advantage that you paid/worked for.
Don’t you guys have any sense of embarrassment over admitting that? I’m almost dying of secondhand embarrassment just reading your rant.
Anyway, both of you are basically proving the point I was trying to make, so thanks!
Dude your reasoning is rly stupid bc you’re a newbe and you dont understand how things works ,first of all Im not triggered ,second how I can play with newcomers when I’ve spend 14k hours in xo? Do you know how much time you have to spend in game to get my point? What da fudge you’re talking about, I dont need any advantage over new players but I dont want to be in disadvantage playing with a guys with my lvl. Its a lot of talking and Im not gonna hold your hand explaining step by step, as I said just play the game and try to improve yourself, you have to trust more experienced players. Dont try to looking for stupid excuses this or that bc you’re wrong do you understand?
4Kps whos playing that low cmon, how you can be scared of 4kps players ,my 1 relic have more than that lol
Good night
the game made it this way,i said i didn’t use upgrades until recently…
it’s built into the game…you upgrade which teaches experience for later higher ps weps or you stay on the porch.
How would you be at a disadvantage against people of the same level? They’d also be getting a PS bump from their fused gear.
You would only be losing some of your advantage against players that haven’t accumulated the resources yet to fuse everything. By definition, those are players who are newer than you. Maybe not “new players”, but players who are new to high PS (as I said).
I’m wondering if you just aren’t reading our posts?
Anyway, I’m not a newbie, and I don’t worry much about seal clubbing. I think it’s fine to take legendaries into low PS, because the matchmaker compensates. But why shouldn’t it compensate for fusing?
As far as I can tell, your only argument against it is “I paid for this advantage, so I should keep it”.
So if you only started fusing recently, you also know you don’t need that advantage. Yes, fusing is built into the game, and I am not suggesting they remove it.
I agree with you that it’s good to see fusing as the in-between level when moving up rarities. But why not have the PS reflect that in-between? Fused items should be a step up, but why do they need to bypass the matchmaker?
It would still be massively important in CW, so it’s not like the value of fusing would disappear with a bit more fairness in PVP.
I don’t think it’s unfair.
When an item is made by the devs ( any item) it’s meant to underperform or better yet , it’s half done.
When we fuse it, then it’s a finished product.
People choose to finish it or not.
I don’t think it’s unfair.
Personally i’m very sceptical when fusing stuff , it’s hard, it’s difficult and it’s very expensive and long story short outside the basics (mainly modules) i don’t even bother… it has to worth wild.
Even what we can get from Bps ( a very cheap way to get cool fused stuff) not all is worth
e.g. i have a fused Gremlin (from BP), i have a gremlin build , i like gremlins. Am i gonna fuse the rest? No. ( I literally play with them for a year. Not interested
I have a thing going on the side, Hawks and sidekicks, am i going to fuse them? yes.
So, if i meet a guy on the field that wasted his time, resources and money , most probably at expense of fun, fusing stuff and he beats me, tough luck for me, he deserves, i don’t, he putted the effort while I’m goofing around.
After all, fusing has to mean something , we have to see a difference for the better, in some cases we don’t.
I hope fusing gives an advantage.
I am good with it. I pretty much only play higher PS, so it isnt relevant.
Increasing PS helps newer players. It doesnt really hurt veterans.
As someone who wants the game to stay alive/grow, I support a level playing field. I also support things that dramatically decrease the barrier to entry in CW. The game is best when there are a handful of non-relic builds that can be CW worthy.
Present old BP for $$$. At least give new players the option to spend cash to get all of the fused gear. I paid $10. Let new players buy it for $50. Put a 6 month or 12 month hold before it can be bought.
That’s a really good idea. I think they’ve been attempting to address this through the mini-BPs and workpieces, but your idea would help new players more and make money for the game to continue to grow.
Fusing should boost power score. Vets have coordination market knowledge fighting knowledge and building knowledge. They shouldn’t have better gear as well. Fused items should have a much higher power score.
Preach it!
Basically you will face this in any game you do not start at launch, there will be those that are ahead of you. Many many of us did this without even being able to lock in attributes at all. The devs have already addressed the inequality in the system for newer players long ago and changed it to the current system where you have stablizers.
This is why you pick one build, plan it out with all your fuses before you fuse a single item.
Okay, let’s start over.
I’ll try to explain to you why this idea is stupid.
Some of you say that it won’t have much impact on the game, if so why change something that has been with us forever? Others say it will help new players, ok please explain to me how this is supposed to help new players?
Can’t you see that fuses have many options and it’s a lottery? You won’t always get what you want, what you say will give you an advantage over others.
Let’s say I’m a new player and I decided to upgrade something, maybe even a few parts because I have extra coins and I can spend them on something, unfortunately my upgrade didn’t give me what I wanted and it’s actually useless, following your idea I should have increased powerscore which will automatically put me in a game against players with higher powerscore, (are you slowly starting to understand? not yet?)
Remember I’m still a new player with no experience who from now on is forced to play a vehicle that would normally be used at a lower powerscore, against more experienced players at a higher powerscore with more powerful weapons (are you starting to catch up slowly?) How is this going to help me and how is it going to encourage me to keep playing when I’m doomed to fail? Unfortunately, I’m a new player who can’t change the vehicle to another one because I haven’t got it yet.
You can’t assume that every other player with more powerful weapons will also have everything upgraded and will also play at a higher powerscore and that you won’t meet them, that’s just ridiculous.
Now let’s say I have a vehicle with epic weapons and it’s all upgraded but these upgrades don’t give me the advantage (and never will remember that!!!) to keep up with the legendary weapons, even if those upgrades are good upgrades.
From now on I’ll be forced to play against players with a similar skill level as me but I will still be at a disadvantage because they have higher tier stronger (non upgrade) weapons.
Remember that there are a lot of weapons in crossout and that this game is far from balanced gameplay, some epic weapons are better than legendary as well as legendary ones are better than relics but that’s not a rule, it’s just a bad balance.
Normally if the game was balanced then Epics would be no better than Legendaries and Legendaries wouldn’t be better than Relics.
Assuming everything is balanced in the game (this is important and remember that!) no epic (upgraded) weapon will be better than a (non upgraded) legendary just like no (upgraded) legendary will be better than a (non upgraded) relic. Therefore, even after upgrading your vehicle, you should not play on a higher powerscore and stay on the one you belong to.
I just gave an example of weapons because I think it’s the easiest to understand what I mean. If someone still doesn’t understand what I’m getting at, I’ll try to explain it in another way.
Going back to sealclubbing and balancing on the edge of the powerscore, all I can say is that if someone wants to do it, they will find a way to stay on that edge, remove some parts or just not use upgraded weapons or other parts and that the person who does this probably knows more about the game than new players and will always have an advantage over them no matter what.
He didnt force me to do so but Im starting playing it again and Im not thinking about myself but of others and I dont want to ruin the game for them.
Thats your point of view which is false Monkey If you put an attention you’ll see some small important details.
I’m not trying to exalt myself here because I don’t have to, I know what I means and I trust my skills. It’s this guy who assumes that I’m against his idea because I’m afraid I’ll lose my advantage over other players and that I won’t be able to do well in the game anymore which is a total bs.
Also I never mentioned that I am a pc player, I play playstation as well as this guy, please read carefully.
What I’m trying to explain is that people who don’t know what the game looks like from the other side should not fight to make some pointless changes.
He himself says that he doesn’t see the need to fuse anything,
it means that the guy doesn’t know what the game is about at all and he still needs more experience to understand simple things.
He even says he doesn’t see any difference playing with nonfused parts so what is he really talking about?
What I see here is that this guy is looking for an excuse why he is not doing well in the game and this way his trying to fok up other players because what else can there be?
The only unfair thing about fusing, well excluding how it’s a complete money sink designed around rng fiddling to make players loose as much money as possible, is how some guns need fusions to actually work properly. For example the original Varun and bullet travel speed fusion, or fusions that get past past “balance” changes and offer the pre-balance performance out of a gun that was recently nerfed.
Sometimes it feels like necessities for a specific gun to work are being kept behind fusion paywalls, hardly ever do i feel like a fused gun is OP compared to it’s unfused counterpart, rather than the fusing one simply working as intended and as it should compared to the unfused one that feels like it’s purposely crippled so people fuse them
And this is what I said earlier about hovers, that people who complain about them have no idea how much it costs to bring such a vehicle to function normally (dont mixup with an advantage over others), which the OP also referred to in his first post. Only that later he tried to twist everything to his advantage and come up with some stupid changes just to justify his failures.
You stopped bc you have no arguments to talk to me its simple ,thanks for proving my point. This is how always its finished if ppl talking bs.
How do you know what I have to say if you didnt even bother to read?
This is what I was talking about to have open mind a wide spectrum of view and not only looking at the top of own nose.
Many of you are to narrow minded to uderstand ,sry guys you still dont get it after so many years, its rly sad.
One person in this thread also explained a little how it works
So guys stop talking garbage and looking for an excuses and start playing the game as it is ok? Learn and improve yourself. Theres many other things you should focus on if you rly care to make this game better.
I’m just trying to be friendly and have a conversation.
