Followin that line of thought every game could just add some insane way to get things for free and avoid ever been p2w.
Pay 5$ to get 50% dmg or watch 20.000 hrs of ads on the website. Aka every phone game.
And havein variety is also a big advantage in a game thats pretty much rock, paper, scissors.
Clan wars the games -competitive- mode ps doesn’t matter.
When a guy who just downloaded the game can instantly get a more powerfull weapon then the guy whos been farming endgame content (in the top 10%) for months its pretty safe to say the game is p2w.
One whole side has zero attachments… and its one of the big sides. stupid design choice, generators need attachment points on the big sides.
It’s not like we use generators for bumpers.
You did not describe pay to win. You described pay to skip.
Pay to win would be "both players have the exact same items, player B buys PREMIUM ammo etc that does more damage or has more penetration or buys temporary buffs to damage or damage mitigation etc…
Now player B is pay to win with a decided advantage in GAME MECHANICS.
I will clarify further. Pack items are not bind to account, so even farming, you can most likely sell your 3 purple items in a month and buy the same pack item off the market. Did you have to wait. Yup. Did you end up with the same item? Yup. Pay to skip.
If you have farmed for months and don’t have great items, that is because you made poor choices, not because some other guy paid money to skip the farming.
They dont coz 1 guy paid for all relics fused the other guy cant get that for years unless he pays. So his at a disadvantage for a year now aka will lose more and why? He didnt pay aka p2w.
Heres the correct example. 2 guys download the game same skill level. 1 buys every single item in the game fused other guy plays only for free. Who reaches silver in CW(the competitive mode) first? we all know the answer to that. Who wins a 1v1?
This is just false. You do know it’s impossible to farm 2-3 sets of relics and have them fused in a few mouths right? If u knew about cw caps u would know that getting 1 set fused in that time would be optimistic even as a top 10 player farmin cap every week. You agian can pay money and make it 50% faster. Funny how money gives so many advantages in this game you say is not p2w right?
As someone who knew all of this beforehand, and hasn’t paid a dime to play, I suggest that you ask yourself “Why am I posting this?” As near as I can tell the only effect that this post can have is to cause crossout to fail. I don’t want that to happen. I want the whales to keep on being whales, and support my ability to play for free. Despite my complaints, I really like this game, even if I all to often get my *ss handed to me, that 1 in 5 times that I finish top 3 on a victorious team is enough to keep me coming back.
So I ask you: Why do you want to kill the goose that lays golden eggs?
I’m more concerned with individuals than I am this game.
I am more concerned with honesty and transparency than I am my toys (this game is a toy).
That being said, in no way do I think people learning from what I posted should ever cripple a game or destroy it. All it should do is help people make more informed decisions about what they buy. If a game company needs to deceive its customers to survive, it deserves to die.
To that… CrossCrowns are deliberately misleading and dishonest. I would be pleased to see the developers lose every penny they’ve “earned” via that scheme. They should be ashamed.
On the other hand, packs, battlepasses and the like are pretty straightforward and honest.
Knowing what I know, and understanding what I do, I’ve still spent money on this game. I’ve just done so with my eyes open as much as possible.
All of that was already explained to a degree, but since you asked…
On low PS builds you can even skip having an engine if your worried about PS. It’s pretty fast out of the box and only gets faster with engines and drivers.
Also the perk is awesome for many weapons at any PS level for 4699 to 18999.
And… I’m not going to lie… 100% of my current Catalina builds are on hovers.
I’ve been pretty consistent in my belief that CW isn’t fun and is the root cause and only scenario where you can call Crossout P2W.
Having said that, even in my limited experience with it, there are beginner CW builds that are accessible for intermediate players, and that could at least get you into the game and potentially start earning enough to get those relics.
I’m not going to claim that it will not be an up hill battle, and I definitely don’t want to do it, but you could definitely grind your way to a decent CW build if you played really smart and have some skills (and also have the social skills to get into a clan that can help you get there).
To me though, that’s the big problem with CW. A competitive mode should get harder the further up the chain you progress. But because a steady supply of uranium can get such high end gear, the game effectively gets easier the further you progress. Not fun for the people trying to grind their way to the top, and also not super rewarding for the people that get there.
Solution: PS brackets for CW leagues. No limit at the top obviously, but let the lower leagues be truly accessible to intermediate players, and give them enough of a trickle of rewards that they can eventually try the big leagues without being hopelessly outgunned.
Yeah. I changed my perception. The game is P2W.
It doesn’t really matter how it is, it is. I do not particularly think how you describe it in this thread is p2w.
I do think how you describe it in the thread about the change to BP (patch) rewards is true.
Either way, you have my agreement.
That’s right, but why so much haste. You shouldn’t be blinded by other players who have Relics.
Most of these players have been playing for a long time, XO is not a game where you are within a few weeks or months at the level of players who have been playing it for years.
You do not have to play clan wars to get relics.
I didn’t get enough uranium when I was doing CW to craft a relic, so I just bought mine by selling stuff I got from grinding.
You do not have to play clan wars to get uranium.
That being said, relics are generally 10 time the price of legendaries.
You only really need relics to compete in CW, and a few of the relics are trash.
If you’re pining over relics, clan wars, uranium and “PTW,” it’s because it’s a briar patch you’re jumping into yourself.
This cannot be stressed enough…
You’ll probably have more fun ignoring relics, clan wars, & uranium. Build something fun to drive, cool to look at or maybe even silly… then go play.
I only really play cw, got relics and the people I play with do aswell, im yet to meet some1 who gotten 0 of the bps or packs lolz.
Yes I wanna know how u will farm u relics without playin other people with relics.
Also do you really think a new player is gonna be like “Ow waw my first purple… let me just buy 3-8 more of it for a god fuse before I even start playing it” coz that is what a free player would have to do to avoid ever playing at a disadvantage to the paying player at the same ps.
So thats how u think people play the game?
Yeah why would I want to play with my mates on discord makein strats earn 1500coins in a few games and play agianst a team of real players when I could just go play a bunch of games agianst bots and people not even trying and earn some scrap
Like I said, that’s a briar patch you chose to jump into. That’s not the game being broken, that’s you wanting something that’s not in the game (free relics apparently) and complaining about it.
That’s exactly what I did, so yeah people do that… and I had a huge stupid grin on my face while doing it. I have purchased packs and battlepasses to be fair, but have done tons of grinding over the years as well. The fused lower level stuff I have, and I gained a ton of it almost exclusively came from grinding. Probably 2/3 the legendaries came from battle passes.
If you’re not able to enjoy the game without relics… Man, I kinda feel bad for you. It sounds like you have pretty high expectations and a pretty high threshold for joy.
I had relics… The shotgun and the cc18 canon, whatever it’s called. I got rid of them simply because I didn’t enjoy playing them.
Enjoy…
One thing I keep noticing on the forum, reddit and facespace is that the least happy players seem to be the players who are laser focused on THE relic/CW/uranium issue.
It’s like my coworkers who focus solely on maximizing income - working themselves to the bone - then complaining they’re burnt out, marriages are in shambles, and their kids hate them.
Like… Why have a job of its not to pay for your LIFE?
Like… Why play this game of its not to HAVE FUN?
You relic/CW/uranium guys have an unfortunate tendency to make this GAME seem like a miserable experience.
…not really expecting to convince you of anything, but just wishing you could step back from that briar patch you’re entangled in and enjoy the game. It’s actually quite fun.
You gon sit with a straight face and tell me the average new player buys 3-8 of their first purples and whatever part they buy before even playin them jajaja… narh you gotta be really affraid of beein at a small disadvantage in order to do that, most just play their cool new weapon small disadvantage or not.
So you did not answer the question at all I wonder why??
All you did was go on a tantrum with a bunch of wrong assumptions about how I must not enjoy the game or needed relics bla bla… No 1 said that, thats just you makein up stuff. I have a bunch of fun playin cw with the mates, so much that normal pvp agianst bots feel bland compared, so I want less p2w so more people can play cw, and the cw window dont have to be between a few hrs a week due to lack of players
How did you get the Relics?
You spend alot RL cash to do so? Otherwise you would know how this game works.
A few packs and the occasional BP won’t get you a set of Relics.
But will give you example. I’ve been playing for about 3 years net, had a break of more than a year, eh almost 1.5 years. If I add up average resource yield from missions and raids I get 80k coins, probably more but keep it low, im just a average player. Add to that some trading on the market, which brought in more in the past than now, to be fair, and some extras from the less than 100 euros per year in packs, etc. And then I leave CW yield out of consideration. That’s enough for a set of Relics. I personally have no problem paying occasionally for a game I like. I see that as a tip for the entertainment provided. In the past, at least $10 a month for an online account was quite normal. What you want or demand is nice, but this game does not offer that, you ask for something that is not on the menu and has never been. You have to empty your pockets when you want to play it the way you want. Nobody forces you to do that.
From my perspective, this game is designed to be a long frustrating grind. They know people like winning and will appreciate winning more when they frequently get stomped and destroyed in the PVP matches. They try to make the game frustrating enough that people will spend money to skip/shorten the grind and gain an advantage over their opponents and not just quit outright.
The game dangles the Cheeto of happiness just out of reach of the player so they have to work hard or pay to get it. And when they finally obtain it, they’ll soon want more.
This method doesn’t work on everyone, but it works on enough people or else they would try a different method to get people to pay for the money.
That’s certainly one perspective, but that’s definitely not the experience of many people.
If what you say described my experience with Crossout, I would have quit years ago.
What I experience is a surprisingly complex PVP game, where we’ve got a huge amount of freedom to customize our experience of the game. I’m not particularly good, but I also never felt like I needed to spend money to perform to my satisfaction. As long as I get a decent number of MVP/unyielding badges over a few hours of play, I feel pretty good and satisfied. No one needs to spend money to achieve that in PVP.
CW is of course a different story, and not the kind of mode you should play if you care a lot about balance.
