That describes my experience pretty well too, but my wallet has gone into hiding.
Like I said before… method doesn’t work on everyone. It doesn’t have to. The people who spend little to no money are still players to keep cue times down. The opportunity to win against an easy opponent is enough to get people to pay up, especially when they’ve suffered multiple defeats and are more appreciative of easy wins.
I’m kind of the same way too. I generally don’t play the Meta. I will use builds that I’ve made and mastered myself. I think some of my builds are quazi-meta. They share traits and parts of some meta build but have enough differences to not be true Meta.
CW is a necessary evil. It gives some of the whales a reason to play and spend money. If clan wars becomes unplayable, the whales will turn their attention to regular pvp, and make each PS range frustrating enough to cause people to quit. If enough people quit, the game itself becomes unplayable and dies. This is just my theory.
Anyways, I’ve gotten frustrated with this game. I feel like the general PVP is now punishing me for not using the Meta now. I think I’ve outgrown this game. I’m on the forum because the conversations allow me to exercise my critical thinking.
You’re going to find that what most people cling to as the truth depends on our own point of view.
That is my favorite Star Wars quote right there.
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What if it’s not that their system doesn’t work on me, but that they have multiple systems going, and a different approach is how they get money out of people like me?
What I mean by that is that I will gladly buy all the normal BPs because I just enjoy the game so much, and they seem like a bargain. Assuming there are lots of players like me, that translates into a more stable source of income, as well as keeping player numbers high.
My pet conspiracy theory is that in the early days of the game they were trying to milk a small number of players for the most money they could. But as the game grew, they hit a wall with that approach, and the P2W aspects started hurting their player numbers, so they pivoted to BPs in order to get a steadier income stream from players like me. Of course they haven’t abandoned catering to the whales, but it sure doesn’t seem like they care a lot about keeping those players happy.
They definitely have multiple systems going. People like getting new toys. Others like getting an edge over their opponents. They have elite battle passes so people can get the new shiny toy sooner. Broken OP items like Parsers, Kaiju, and Annihilator drones were in those BP items. I can see why people suspected them of OP on purpose.
They don’t care about why a person buys something as long as they buy it and will continue buying it in the future.
Newer battlepasses have been skimping out and adding unfair mechanics. And they will continue to do this as long as people people buy them.
Why do you think they sell those Overpriced packs? It’s because they know the demand for them is there as long as there in an OP item in them.
I used to like Premium and Battlepasses until they got greedy. They introduced crosscrowns and added more unfair mechanics (expiring blueprints) . And they will keep getting greedier and greedier until most people put their foot down and stop buying
I think they use Fomo and Sunken cost to keep the whales around to spend money.
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That’s right, and they aren’t secretive about that, are they?
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So if I spend alot of money on the game I can get all the best gear without knowin how the game works but its not p2w? make that make sense.
So its only p2w if u wanna play the competitive part of the game? its not p2w when u play agianst bots thats the argument?
So skip havein a disadvantage (even if only for a time) leading to loseing more aka p2w.
I do agree on the rest of ya analysis pretty much sums it up.
Nope not p2w. Pay when you impatient or not willing to grind.
Whether you agree or not, whether you find it acceptable or not. That is the mechanism that the creators of this game have chosen. Feel free to continue complaining about unfairness and not liking your game in this way is not going to get you anything except a lot of frustration and negative thoughts that don’t get you further. Good luck.
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I’m gonna take middle ground.
Having the fused weapons doesn’t guarantee a win.
However, if you don’t have the best gear, it can put you at a disadvantage if your opponents have it and you don’t.
The best players not only are the most skilled, but they have the best gear too.
Pay to skip/shorten the grind and not being at a disadvantage is probably the most accurate term for this game.
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Do you think your way is the only way people play the game?
Have you heard the expression “calling the kettle black”?
I never played the game how you describe. Never.
Let me be clear: You can farm relics using weapons other than relics. There is a whole tier of legendaries that is full of viable weapons, as well as a few purples.
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Perfect so you just proved my point on people not playin that way. Good we can agree on that.
So I can play whatever I want but my opponent cant, and thats a fair fight, nice logic u got there.
I find it hilarious that people wanna argue that getting whatever weapon they wanted with whatever fuse they wanted instant would not help them win.
This game is hard p2w and thats a hella fun for running porks at 5k ps. But im not gonna sit here and pretend like I dont have an advantage when I seal club with my relics, coz I do.
But if you wanna try to convince me that the kills and score I get down there are not due to my better equipment, but just pure skills sure… 
It doesn’t. At least not in PVP. The matchmaker (when it’s functioning right) will place you in matches with people who have more or less the same equipment.
The single strongest aspect to this game is the META. Sometimes it’s worse than others, but you can buy whatever, and the META will mop the floor with most players. That’s why it’s the META. I’m not convinced your wallet has any effect on the META.
The Boring-Trucker proved you could thoughtlessly pwn kids all day long without spending a dime, and there was little anybody could do about it.
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Success with Porcs in 5k, it will be a pretty pathetic display. Novice player who immediately spends so much money to buy Porcs just to do so is making a complete fool of himself. Porcs in 5k are not that good at all. Someone with common sense and 100 coin build will make mincemeat of 5k Porc build. With so much knowledge about the game, your CW adventure is bound to yield great things.
I give up 
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Some people are determined to convince you that their miserable unhappy unproductive existence is THE WAY.
Just let 'em be… he clearly hates the game, thinks it’s P2W, thinks you can’t play without relics, and none of us who suffer none of his misery have anything to offer him to help.
Let him be miserable. It’s his life.
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Yeah its awsome makein coins worth 100 of raids in a few games playin with mates 10/10, game got alot better after I started playing cw.
I like how you dodged the question you cant answer over and over agian and then completly gave up on havein a discussion about the game. And just went on a childish anger tantrum making up wild assumptions and started trowing insults. Talking about a bunch of ya none game related feelings.
And you bringin up yo co-workers and call them miserable aswell lmao I bet they aint sittin on video game forums, insulting people who dont agree with them like you and other happy people do jaja
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How does saying a game is p2w have anyy thing to do with this?
Stop takein whatever type of way yo co-workers been makein u feel out on me this aint oprah lolol.
I just gave up and having a discussion with you.
Misery loves company, and I don’t want to be in your company so long as you’re so intent on being miserable.
I kind of feel sorry for you honestly.
Yeah you lost the argument and started trowin insults.
Next time you lie make sure people cant prove it in 20 sec 
Dont worry about me worry about how you co-workers hurt you and why feel the need to act out and lie online 
I don’t understand why there are people who would like to eliminate PvE just because they don’t like it,
for example RoughtMonkey who likes the market but not PvE, for me it’s exactly the opposite, I play a couple of hours every day and I like PvE, on the contrary I hate the market and I only do it when I need to.
The strength of this game is the variety of games it allows to play, PvE, PvP, Market, Adventure, Browl, everyone can find what they like unlike other multiplayers.
The mechanisms are known by now are designed to allow everyone to win and continue even if some days you always lose.
The important thing is not to get addicted to the game by neglecting your personal activities.
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very well done, young zealot cadet! in case of no argument, turn back to the other zealots with a classic “am i right, boys?”
again, this is the cyberbullying thats going on in here. what can one man with a brain do against the zombie masses? i applaud your bravery and vigor, high paladin Vvaysion!
most of these ladies only play low ps with their bp crap, insisting it doesnt give them an advantage over the newbs who naturally play there. often the argument is that theyre not using meta cars so its alright, and anyways, having a completely fused build is not even a real advantage somehow.
but beware, if you point out that their successes might be related to p2w they get really sad, because they want to believe otherwise so very much.
the wallet makes it possible to jump on every meta, getting the op bp crap on the first day to rock for a month in pvp before the plebs unlock the stuff and it gets nerfed. the meta is often shaped by new bp/pack items. the relation between the two is very obvious imo.
excellent blows, my paladin. quickly hand me your sword, ill sharpen the blade again!
lalalalala, i cant hear you! i just want to be in my safe space.
haha, i wanted to ask him to post this screen for verification, but my lord, again you have anticipated your foe perfectly, im blessed to be in your service.
btw, roopull mostly plays pve and low ps pvp by his own admission. the latter is a bit too hard for him often (mean mm), so he basically just nopes out of high ps and even pvp because its too hard. he even posted patrol scores to brag, showing only his teams score.
his true argument is: you dumb if you play high ps pvp or even cw, because its super unbalanced and p2w. but im smart so i just dont play these, pretend theyre not there and then call people who actually do play high ps pvp/cw whiners if they point out the obvious balancing issues/p2w which are the reason why he doesnt play those modes to begin with.
a huge intellectual fuck you to himself.
the reason most people want to deny p2w is because they all p2w but rather go with the muh skillz argument.
spot on. just look how people estimate packs/bps. the question “is it worth it” is always answered depending on how op the stuff in it is. ofc theres some casual players who just want the stickers and so on too.
its my theory too. they will crank up the p2w and general crap and then close the game. were on the last squeeze, ladies and gentlemen. repent!
the game isnt p2w because i dont even spend 100 bucks on it yearly. hm… you got scanner? 50% faster grinding for a few bucks… but no, you dont even spend the full 100, so clearly you didnt gain any advantages, its all your skillz and whatnot.
“i just want to support my game” is THE tell tale sign of a p2w. “im not buying packs for the op stuff in there, just to support”, thanks freaking mother theresa but i dont buy it.
naysayers everywhere listen up:
this is the argument you fail to address. if you agree with this then the game is p2w. if you disagree you need to come up with an explanation, because its not an obvious argument at all.
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Ah Scanner is now also P2W?
So I will win more often when I pay for Scanner?
Too bad I’m not that interested in XO PvP anymore, PvP here isn’t very interesting compared to other games I play. So that can’t be why I’m paying for something. Your disbelief in my incentive to pay is your problem, and completely irrelevant.
Nice troll attempt, though 
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This whole thread has turned into the haves and have nots.
Life is hard. But unfair. Get used to it.
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