PvP: Dumb bots and Hyper Smart Bots

I nudged one that appeared to be off alone sleeping (dormant), and then it suddenly woke up and fired. IDK what it’s trip was. It was weird though. I try to peel bots off walls and stuff, and encourage them along if I can.

#BotLivesMatter

I will even hold bots back from running in, let our team have a second to work on their incoming bots and then let the one I’m holding go.

Instead of it running to the other side without its team and getting blown up right off the bat.

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I used to like having a hover balloon on the end of my Skinner. The Hovers would always rush in and get pwnd, but if I could capture one they made for good auxiliary weapons, and good meat shields as well.

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The thing is, I’ve also seen those two bots get MVP sometimes. Again, I think it’s a radar issue, combined with however the bots decide to switch targets.
Pretty sure neither of them have any radar, so if they’re not getting map info from players, they just focus on getting to the cap. The visual radius isn’t very big, so enemies can be pretty close to them and still be essentially invisible to the bot.
The bots also don’t seem to be able to switch targets very easily, so if multiple enemies are firing on them, they can seem a bit paralyzed.

If you want to test my theory, make a build with a Doppler, Keen, and radio (or swap in a maxwell/listener if you’re playing low PS). The bots should behave a lot more aggressively. Even better if a few allies are running dopplers for maximum coverage.
At the very least, run a radio so that more of the bots see what you see.

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Do you remember when many bots used to all have radar detectors?

I know it was removed a long time ago, but I wonder if when that happened it made bots dumber if no one else runs a Doppler?

Food For thought.

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Every build I have has either a fused purple radar or a fused doppler. One of the two is included on everything I build.

My first legendary was a hurricane. Played about 3 or 4 games… locked onto all kinds of stuff.
Then the guy with the purple radar went out of rotation.

Scarred my XO life.

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Hello,

I would like to add something that i keep on mind
The quality of matchmaking / player filler is very poor, instead of making competitive situations, it generates autowin / autoloose scenarios that makes battles to prolong less than 2 minutes.

You can see several examples of this behaviour below that demonstrates dramatical difference between scores and allows to do next conclussions:

  1. “PvP” is AI controlled. It’s goal to ‘mix’ everything to 50 / 50 .

  2. Your efforts means nothing, it is pointless to do anything, system will detect you jumping above its “desire” and punish you by forcing you to loose more games fighting against higher-skilled enemies (bots)

  3. Those higher-skilled enemies (bots) 's parametres (aim, focus, reaction, etc) is bigger than human can do. While human looking at the screen, trying to find best aim, the machine is already shooting off player’s weapons.

  4. Those situations are similar to when human is forced to fight against predator he is uncapable to defeat (bear tiger etc) without having advantage (trap gun etc) that can have serious negative mental influence

  5. Sequential looses with no-solution (means you were forced to loose and someone’s / something’s else controled that situation) can have serious negative mental influence.

Let’s just add that game is rated as ESRB (13+) and PEGI (7+).

So, the kid plays against the machine that outscales him/her at everything and forcing him to loose, destroying him over and over again, until it won’t say : " okay now you can win few rounds to get your 50% W, meatskin "

The best association with this is raping








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Yep, they all rush me and head eyes my co driver through my window slits.

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In my opinion, there are no smart bots, only dumb ones.

However, some builds are quite dangerous if you don’t react accordingly or avoid them strategically.
For example, spider typhoon builds are not to be underestimated if you also use a build with ranged armament, because they aim very accurately and can do a lot of damage if you use lighter faster builds. You must not stop in this case, but also not accelerate in a linear way, because the bots are very accurate in calculating the trajectory for the next shots. Timing is everything in this case - stopping, not accelerating linearly, stopping, etc. - assuming you have some distance. You should also be able to use cover like houses or, even better, uneven terrain - otherwise you’ll take a lot of damage. The same goes for Mastodon builds - although these are not as dangerous as Typhoon or Tsunami builds, but much more difficult to crack, as they can take a lot of damage. The time needed to crack them is often too high or too disadvantageous, because in the meantime reinforcements are coming or the situation on the battlefield has changed.
The most dangerous bots in my opinion are the hover retcher builds when they surprise you. If you don’t act immediately and eliminate the retchers, they can do a lot of damage to your team. Most of the time, they come into your team like drunkards and shoot around like crazy. But I wouldn’t call these bots smart ;D

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If we’re forced to play with bots, both teams should get the same bots, rather than 3 hyper precise triple cannon bots on one team and then 3 reaper omnibox bots on the other that keep trying to aim at an enemy but their cabin or whatever gets in the way and they never fire a single round

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some really smart guy said that before,let me check and see who that was…

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This is the biggest problem with bots.

They do not have any kind of real target switching at all. Bot will stay locked onto one person completely across the map while some one sits right in front of it. It’s what makes the retcher bots OP.

Also what makes the bots nearly useless once players realize how to avoid/kill them fast.

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And multiple can lock onto you at once.

I had 3 double cannon spider bots lock on to me the other day and they pushed though everyone else to get to me.

We ended up killing them but it was funny to watch.

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yeah. i have spent an entire match under a triple executioner, because it shot my guns off from across the map out of nowhere. Safest place is under them.

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Yeah I’ve seen a bot or group chase one player across the map all match long till either the player or bot(s) get destroyed, has happened to me too

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I have given this suggestion so many times, and apparently it is a practice of gaijin related games, full teams with bots to shorten waiting times, enough of this, I want to play only with and against real players, REAL PVP, so just create teams with the players available at the moment, either 6v6 or at least 4v4, 0 bots, simple, but they won’t, they have been with this annoying system for years, War Thunder suffers the same, and I don’t understand how other games with amounts of much smaller players don’t use bots to complete their games, they just build teams with the balanced number of players existing at the moment.

The frustration of this is that they have a pretty great game, but they spoil it with poor solutions.

dumb bots-shooting at the mountain.pfft :crazy_face:

Bonjour et je reste polie, Grr, c’est quoi ce jeu d’abrutie joué avec des robots, qui patine, lague, ou face un obstacle ne bouge pas etc. il y pas mal à dire sur cette merde, tu demandes de l’aide ton rien, tu perds une partie avec 1200 px et tout le reste donc 7 bots à seulement 40 à 48 px Jusqu’à aujourd’hui je n’avais pas fait attention vu que mais heure de jeux on changé et que je jouais avec des amis mais dans les “heures de nuit française” c’est de la grosse arnaque, tout çà pour un manque de joueurs, payé un abonnement ou faire des achats diver pour jouer avec des bots c’est une belle escroquerie merci aux abruties de programmeurs de croussout bref heureusement que la concurrence est là…Hello and I remain polite, Grr, what is this stupid game played with robots, which skates, lags, or when faced with an obstacle does not move etc.? there’s a lot to say about this shit, you ask for help your nothing, you lose a game with 1200 px and everything else so 7 bots at only 40 to 48 px Until today I didn’t have be careful since but game time has changed and I was playing with friends but in the “French night hours” it’s a big scam, all for a lack of players, paid a subscription or made various purchases to play with bots it’s a great scam thanks to the stupid programmers of croussout in short fortunately the competition is there…

Dumb Bot again,no help thx crossout… :clown_face: