skill issue little guy
This 100%
Even if your team gets rolled you know if you where kicking butt or not.
I have games all the time where my team will lose and I have more points (or close to it) then the MVP on the other team.
In my book, that is a win.
Also, once your known to be that type of player the other team will go out of their way to try and kill you first.
I also count that as a win. Those guys know if they donāt deal with you first, your going to kill their whole team.
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Generally speaking, all this complaining is pointless, donāt you get resources for losing? More likely yes, and itās not that big of a difference if you win. So what is the problem? Wounded ego?
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I basically just pay attention to where I rank on my team, whether we win or lose.
If Iām always at the bottom of my team, I know Iām not doing great. If Iām usually at or near the top of my team, Iām happy.
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Lots of trash talking and not much gameplay videos. This is why Lexiās the only one who can trash talk here without looking like a stooge.
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Repeatedly facing overwhelming odds isnāt a fun fantasy for many people, and ultimately you donāt get as many resources as you would if your team wins. You wonāt get gas at all, for example.
Wondering why people like to win doesnāt seem very intuitive. Seems like the default attitude for most normal people. There is no mystery. Itās just more fun, of course.
I donāt often find that so much as flattering, as simply frustrating. Often Iāll just quit and switch builds, or just quit and go watch TV, if that doesnāt fix it. Itās that frustrating. Waiting in the queue just to get fed to the sharks over and over sucks.
Having said all that, this āencountering bully teams in PVPā isnāt a serious enough issue to call on the developer-gods for salvation, IMO. There are better fixes, like just adjusting your attitude, as has been suggested, but thereās more I can add.
In PVP teaming up with Bots is an option, if teaming up with just some random guy isnāt happening. Locate a bot-build that compliments your build and make it your travel buddy (a Bot-Buddy 
). In PVP, Bots are often as good as the players, or even betterā¦you may have to help them out of corners, and peel them off walls occasionally, though.
Itās not a prefect strategy, but when the āteamsā in PVP arenāt very helpful, I suggest working with what youāve got. Bots are very brave, rarely turn tail and run (before theyāre de-gunned), locate enemies and pick targets well, have near perfect aim, and are often very durable too. #BotLivesMatter
My strategy when faced with creating impromptu teams with random guys in PVP, and not using chat, is to locate the the Hover-guy on your team and just guard his six. Let him pick targets, and target them too. Hovers are often at the heart of any group (they seem good for it, I think). If there is any āteamā in your team, itās often going to be centered around the Hover-guy. Make sure he wins and youāll win too. This is just a way of identifying if there is a group on your team, while not using chat (I donāt). If the Hover guy isnāt a part of a group, youāve just created one, but often if there is one, heās on it.
Lately the guy to team up with in PVP and let call shots, is whoever is packing the Yaogui, or similar drone launchers. Those things make excellent cover, if you can reach the target before the enemy shoots it down. Thatās probably just a trend though, and Hovers are more of a constant.
I suppose I could go on. I play a schit-ton of solo PVP, and have faced all the problems PVP has to offer many, many times over. I can sympathize with the OP. Been there, done that, will very likely do it again soon. The OP is right, in that teamwork makes for wins in PVP more than just about any feature in this game, and over-powers the META nearly always too. Itās just that even as a solo-player not running chat, Iāve found itās very possible to group up with random un-knowns, act like a team, be a team, and win. There is no reason to call down the gods to solve this, just go love your neighbor, even if heās a Bot. Let the developers go work on real problems, because there sure are a few. If there isnāt enough āteamā on your team, whose fault is that anyway?
Play like a team, win like a team, or loose like one anyway.
I completely agree with you, I am a winning type myself and I understand that failure is not fun, but I also understand that if you want to win, sometimes you have to make sacrifices, as the saying goes, there is no win without effort and you canāt blame every time someone else for your failure, first you have to look at yourself what is wrong, analyze the situation, draw conclusions, look for a solution. And in this case, I also see a few solutions that I would first implement before I start crying loudly on the forum.
Here are some tips: look for someone to form a team with, try to play at other times of the day, change the powerscore, change the vehicle or weapons you use, these are the simplest things that come to my mind at the moment, if anyone has any more tips let us know and share them.
If you donāt try to do anything and just deplore over own life youāre doomed to failure. Maybe the problem lies elsewhere, I know people who play this game for almost 6 years have a lot of experience but they are still average players and itās only their fault when they donāt try hard others will try to achieve something and such an average player despite having more time spent in the game will never beat those who try to develop themselves.
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umā¦never change the way you like to play for just some lame thing as thisā¦
all you have to do after a match is wait for 1 or 2 minutes,then que up again.you will find different players playingā¦
easy ( and itās the only and best way to do it) 
itās a challengeā¦part of the game! 
All good tips, I think. If itās PVP youāre after, Iād add rotate your builds as a suggestion too. Donāt always run shotguns, for example. Do something else.
I think if youāre a strict loner and donāt want to have anything at all to do with other players, PVE is going to be a better escape than PVP. PVP is a little wonky, and identifying the hang-ups there can be hard. Like, is it because the game balance is off, or maybe they just nerfed your M.O. and now the game no longer swings in your favor, and youāre blaming it on āteamsā when itās just wonky game balance. They like you to chase the META around a bit, seems like, or at least when it shifts, it can be a big deal.
For certain, there are better solutions than asking the devs to break stuff that isnāt broken. I think venting on the forum is allowableā¦I hope. I do it a bit myself, but ya, I can see how that gets old listening to fast, but there being too much team-work in PVP is probably not a big issue.
There is another thread on the forum where it is supposed that the unpopularity of Clan Wars and the issues there are perhaps leading to clans trolling PVP. This sounds like it could have merit (sounded like an interesting theory), and in that case, the devs probably should step in and fix clan wars to make that more interesting for that crowd, so they arenāt trolling PVP. Only the developers can fix that situation.
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umā¦3 clan members and they lostā¦iām soloā¦
are these 3 in a group? idk, sometimes you end up on the same teamā¦
are my team mates grouped upā¦'i donāt knowā¦
do i careā¦nope! iām just dam good
thats a lie.i not good! 
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How do they explain Squads being in the game at launch? I am curious about this logic. It assumes no one ever played squads until after they got completely bored with CWās. I do not think that is a true premise to base an assumption on.
Can we agree that clans would logically be made up of players that generally play at the same time?
If so,
Can we agree that CW are not always available at a specific time?
If so,
Can we agree players that log on at the same time might log on at the same time but there is no CW available to Q for?
If so,
Can we agree players that like to play together, might want to play together when there is not CW on the schedule?
If so,
Can we agree players might play as a squad because they enjoy playing with clan mates outside of CW?
This is the Way.
can we agree that this topic is not about CW ??
being in a clan or being friends making a group and playing the game has nothing to do with CW.
why always bring CW into it? i donāt knowā¦
i think itās better if your solo to face a challenge like a group and defeat them,then being in a group and getting defeated by a bunch of solo n00bsā¦
dude. its nice you are the forum patrol. But at least get it right.
The topic is about removing 4 mans.
The post I quoted was about people getting mad at CW and greifing in SQUADS in pvp.
Entirely on topic.
Maybe it is weak logic, but I think the assertion is that itās making the problem worse (if it actually is one) because Clan Wars suck and these people leaving that platform are more advanced than the general population, and are now trolling kids as an alternative.
The āclansā thread has meandered off topic, as MudnBeer rightly remarked, and into āthere are no clans because that mode sucks,ā while this one starts wrong, IMO. I think removing teams from PVP is a bad idea, but it doesnāt mean I donāt think thereās an issue with squads making PVP unenjoyable. I just think thereās probably a better solution than a banā¦like just do the same thing. Play like a team too. I think itās way more fun to play as a team, win or loose, and itās easy to group up with other players, even without chat.
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I think you view the sanctity of these topics higher than I do, but Iāll try to do better about staying on topic (no promises). Maybe youāre right.
talking about 4 man CW and 4 man squad play and how they relate to squad formation in farming pvp are on topic .
We were having a legitimate discussion on why we may see 4 man squads formed from the same clan.
I will state clearly (again) that I am not for removing squad play at all in any way even though I do not partake in it at this time.
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this entire page is braindamage no 4 man groups are fine get some friends losers easy fix
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you need to look at their point of view,itās a topic that comes up now and againā¦
āwhy canāt we just play randoms not in a groupā
simple=itās a game.take it or leave itā¦ 
all games are like this.but we donāt play them anymore,why?..they just faded out i guessā¦
but this crossout still remains,why ? i donāt know.
but without friends to group with to play withā¦what fun is that?
solo vs group i just showed u all you can win soloā¦what more do you all want?..donāt tell me 
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Youāre all right but thatās not the point, the point is to show or try to help those who are failing in the game and stop this pointless crying.
Normally I would say āgrow some ballsā and move on if youāre a n00b dont play the game
Hi guys, please stay polite and calm to each other
And on topic
Thanks and Regards
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