Where is the joy in this game?

If it becomes too painful, I highly suggest stacking a bunch of weapons. Something stupid like dual thunderbolt lacerator trombone, just to maximize your weapons badges/game :wink: Or a mix of different rarities of the same weapon type. I just replace a couple Maces with Lupara and Sledgehammer these days.

Premium is good for newer players wanted to unlock parts fast. The extra XP gain can unlock and let them level-up a lot quicker. Don’t forget each levels on the factions will unlock build parts. I am not saying it is a must, but it can help newer players. To able to play to unlock max resources each week need far too many hours for most. I think near end of year sales usually put it to 1/2 price. I am unsure players should need the whole 12 months to unlock all they need for the build parts if they do spend few hours a day on XO. For us been into the game and have unlock most parts, premium doesn’t benefit us much even with the coins gain.

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Not so much of a grind rather than BP parts. I still want to have 8 Gerridae.

It’s no biggie, I complete it all in about 3 raids. Or when I do the daily quest “win 5 missions”. I just call it grind because it is grinding the patches. Every day until I hit the level 105-106 or whichever brings me the last 15 lighters.

Good point. A few months of premium right when someone starts the game might be a good idea for some players.

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I really don’t understand the anger so many feel about the grind of playing Crossout without spending real money.

I mean, isn’t the whole point of a good game to have something to spend time playing? The longer I can play Crossout, the better.

I guess for some people, acquiring new items is more fun than playing with those items? Is Crossout more of a shopping simulator than a building/driving/fighting game for those people?

I’ve bought all the real BPs, but never spent a cent on premium, packs, mini-BPs, crosscoins, or buying BP levels. It has never occurred to me that speeding up my progress would make the game more fun. If anything, having everything in the game would probably kill a lot of my enjoyment. I really like the feeling that even after playing Crossout exclusively for years, there’s still so many things for me to unlock and master.

To me, having an endlessly growing game means I have infinite possibilities for fun.

I don’t love the fact that some of the best items in the game are pack-only, but the market pretty much solves that problem. Yes, it took me a long time to get around to saving up for a Kapkan, but once I decided I wanted one, it didn’t really take that long to grind one out just from playing PVP.

Maybe the game might have more players if the only thing you could buy was decor, but I don’t think it would make that big of a difference.

People are either going to enjoy the basic mechanics of building and playing, or they won’t. If you don’t enjoy playing the cars you have, I don’t think having more items is going to make it fun for you. Better to just move on to another game if playing this one feels like a chore.

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I’ve made this case a few times. While I’m a Mad Max fan & love car games, it’s not simply the “build a car” aspect, either. Even FPS games don’t allow you to customize your character (what the car essentially is in XO). Virtually every one I’ve ever played has severe limits on how I can customize the character. Granted, I’ve played games - even on my phone - where I could fine tune the appearance of my character to levels that seemed unimaginable just a few years ago… but that’s appearance. I can’t change the functionality of the character all that much. I can’t add a 3rd and 4th arm to my sorcerer to cast twice the spells… I can do that in XO - so to speak. XO rules all other games in this aspect.

This is the part of the XO and gaming communities I struggle to grasp. Outside of children and retirees, I cannot fathom how functioning adults can spend more than a few hours gaming in a week. Then, I remember we had some friends that got divorced a few years ago. One of the wife’s complaints was that her husband would come home, go to his “man cave” and game until bedtime every single day. Zero interaction with the kids or her.

I’ll bet he was a bad@ss in Madden or whatever schportzbawll game he was playing, though.

Extra hours for childsupport and alimony aside, I’ll bet he has even more time for his toys now that he’s divorced.

Ouch… I think you’re on to something there, Poony.
XO certainly feeds some sort of hunter-gatherer instinct, doesn’t it?
FOMO… fear of missing out… that, too.

I’m going to be pondering this for a while, methinks.

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Not really. Can’t have 3rd scorpion on a build or something. Energy limits and PS only allows you to squeeze things. Still enough to make something unique and even stand out from the mob and have some additional aspect working for you other than just aim skills and tactical positioning/maneuvering.

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A sad but true story: I know at least 4 people (no names included) that play top clans on Xbox that broke up with their partner over Crossout and they still play Crossout - and not only do these 4 people still play Crossout, but they play it like a job.

Completely addicted.

I think sometimes you get people that their lives in game are better then in real life. In the game they feel like their accomplishments mater and view themselves as important in that game world. But in real life they are nothing.

Guys like this put “being awesome at a game” over “being awesome in life”

It’s hard to be awesome in life, but games are an easy out.

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How about impossible? For some at least. Not everyone is born Leonardo da Vinci or at least capable of something. Most people can only afford to work a lot and make basic living… barely build a family… - even that thing highly dependent on luck.
So choice is regular routine life or virtual world.
Many people make children, try to live that regular life just to find there isn’t much to it, and it easily gets nightmare. Perhaps they would wish they never decided to have kids, but they can’t afford to torture themselves with such a thought. What a broken world… or is it so only if you actually think about it that way? Idk… does family life even works any more? Some say it does but I don’t really believe them.

‘So are Forums’ :crazy_face:
sorry…just saying :rofl:

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hahaha

Stay on topic bruh lmao

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I got five kids, 2 out of collage, 2 in collage and 1 in an International Baccalaureate high school program.

I find time to run my own bussiness, spend time on some games, and I have epic weekends every weekend.

I know that we are blessed, and I know most peoples life’s are not like mine. I believe in the American way, everyone can become something if they try hard enough.

Most people will just drag their feet, expect someone to do all the work for them, and wait for money to just fall in their laps. These types of people deserve to fail.

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I think you missed my point… You can add that 2nd scorp… or a firebug to a scorp build - which would probably be completely stupid. Or build a one BigRam one Hover build. The freedom to build things that are absolutely META brilliant OR beautiful and functional art builds OR stupid looking art builds that barely work OR even something so completely broken it doesn’t work at all is what makes XO better than the rest. There are only a couple of games out there I know of that offer anything like it (RoboCraft comes to mind), but none approach the aesthetics of XO. Even with them sometimes venturing into styles I’m not fond of, it still looks amazing.

I reject that dichotomy.

Real life can cut you off at the knees and make everything a desperate affair.
No one I know who is struggling with a regular routine life is struggling because they were cut off at the knees… none of them had cancer, got hit by a meteor or whatever. They’re all there - at least in large part - by their own actions & inaction.

…and when I was 7 we didn’t have indoor plumbing. I’m no silver spoon snob saying that.

Delving into a virtual world to escape is kinda like drugs or alcohol. It’s fine in very limited quantities. The problem is that people find that shallow level of joy much more appealing than a larger joy that comes from actual dedication.

:dart:

Ironically… people ask “where is the joy in this game…” Like… if you’re not getting joy from the game, why are you here? Go do something you enjoy & quit wasting your life.

YMMV…

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Right, why obsess with that someone else it doing with their life, if they’re happy doing what they do then surely they don’t care about your thoughts on the matter.

Imagine being so obsessed with the life of someone else and how they live it lmao

And find some weird russian game forum to be one of most deserving ways to spend time. Interesting.

This is the essence. :grin:

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Meh… I dunno, man. I have only ever known a couple of people who didn’t have a choice in life.

If you’re referring to me being obsessed, yeah no. I do get concerned and confused at how people live their lives… and genuinely concerned for their well-being.

These games are designed to be addictive. Literally. There’s plenty of science out there as to how it’s done and how crippling it can be.

If I see signs people are addicted to it, and they HATE the experience to boot, I do find that troubling.

It is just a forum for a game, and maybe Aladin is just playing a character on here. I dunno…

When I suggest people find something better to do with their time, I don’t mean that in a judgey way. I mean that in the way I’d tell a friend. Go have fun. Smile. Be happy.

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I’m not

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Well, I know some of these people. Spent some time in a children’s cancer ward myself. When I did outreach for the homeless, I met a lot of fatherless men, abused women, and veterans of various wars with stories I guess only I heard and understood…because I can relate, I guess. Lucky me.

It’s nice that life for some of you has fallen well within your skill set and abilities, but I know what it looks and feels like to be overwhelmed with circumstance beyond your control (that is a thing). It can be so bad that some people don’t actually survive it. I guess nobody is around to tell their story, because they died in the field, or alone in the exhaust leaking car they were living out of, overwhelmed, I presume…or maybe they just weren’t trying hard enough? I’m sure it was all their fault, right? Boot straps and all that is Disney theater, IMO.

If you think life can’t throw you a pitch fast enough to kill you, or destroy your life, you are dead wrong. If you think you succeeded in life all by yourself, and did it all on your own, by the strength of your own might, will, and determination, you’re full of schit. That’s the guy I’ve never met.

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Well, like I said… Life can cut you off at the knees. I know that full well. Some folks are born into a situation worse than others will experience on their worst days.

Most folks who are struggling, though, especially in America or other 1st World Nations, aren’t there because they were cut off at the knees or dealt a crippling blow.

It doesn’t help that we have a tendency to try to tear down our peers when they do better than we do. The “crabs in a bucket” mentality is brutal.

My two best friends are one guy with a crippled right arm (got hit by a truck when he was 9), and a Desert Storm veteran, who had his career stolen from him while he was away serving as a Medic…which is basically a doctor/priest called to give last rights to those overwhelmed by gross reality.

I myself have a child born disabled, so maybe you just need to get out more? There’s an America that you have no idea exists. Count your blessings, and pray you don’t join their ranks.

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