Where is the joy in this game?

That’s how LoL got in 2 years 5 times the amount I poured into XO :> Now unless Gaijin is making more money than Riot Games through garbage player retention and gross cashgrab tactics, I’ll stick to my opinion on how a game should be monetized.

We’re both stupid. Tons of games are way better than XO and don’t require people to sink weeks of their lives or hundreds of dollars to experience 5% of their content.

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XO provides for me what no other game can. The ability to build my own unique vehicles and take them fighting. I like overgrown with greens and rust wasteland maps too.
If don’t play XO I’m only left with temporary singleplayer games, and some real life things - which are somewhat limited for me at the time. Maybe even having everything I would still play XO, idk… the world and internet is supposedly full of things but somehow most people end up busy working or doing dumb things anyway.

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Maybe that’s why they’re much more popular than XO :man_shrugging:

Just saying what Steam charts show me. I may be wrong on this one.

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XO is the game about building crafts. Very few people can stomach that or even have interest. Many people that prefer building and making nice things rather do that without toxic PvP and grind. So there is very small community needing the game in the first place. Like Silent Hunter ww2 submarine simulators.
They could easily take more popularity if they offered efficient meta builds in packs and factions. It’s weird they didn’t so far.

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Yes.

Meta changes. And exhib exists already. There’s no need for that.

It is what a player feel if what he /she pay into the hobby worth or not.

In your case, you can afford or you do not mind to spend onto your hobby/entertainment. Good for you!!

I am still puzzle on how experienced players in this game feel they have to “X” amount of real cash into the game. There is not much point for experienced players to pay to gain extra XP. What else are players needed to pay for big time? Ofcos, meta players are the only ones I can think of, but they are on a different level than the rest, no?
The BP are the only things I have spend on the last 3 years. That is far less than many other FTP games I am on.

Steam chart show very small amount of Crossout player. It can’t be use as a way to prove XO’s player base. I am one of them as I can’t play crossout link with steam as XO won’t start on steam!

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I actually never bought a premium subscription. Always felt weird paying for getting something I’ll get through weeks of grind after. I only bought packs, as it gave me access to unique structural parts, and after I got all of them, it’s just much more efficient way to buy coins to buy some things I want quicker. BP is obviously very beneficial thing too. Grinding to the top to fight top league nolifer nerds to be king of nerds? Oh jeez.

Premium is really only good for the crazy guys that are going to max out all their resources every week OR for guys that play CWs and plan to at least max their Ore.

For most people premium is a waist.

For many adults with real life responsibilities, it would be very hard to take the full advantage of premium.

BUT if you do plan to pay for premium I suggest everyone wait for the 50% off sale. Can’t remember the price, but you get a full year for like $60.

Even at 60$ it is a waste to me. I’m not going to resource grind enough for it to be worth it.

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That’s why I never bought it. It’s actually more like tying yourself to the game, forcing to waste time on the grind, so no thanks :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: That’s what I actually try to avoid by paying :laughing:

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Isn’t BP essentially the same thing? :thinking:

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If you want max profits - perhaps.
But you could just wait till the ending week and make all the stacked weekly challenges.
Dailies pretty much fulfilled anytime you play and they are rather optional. Usually it was enough to get all the primary rewards from BP. Now you can get some fused legends for maxed lighters… kind of luring but imo there is nothing really useful. Retchers? What are they good for? Ugly CW build and raids? Waste of time.

Mandrakes, reapers (maybe). The thing is, it’s not about useful tings in there. It’s about them requiring to be paired, most of the times. Two Retchers, two Mandrakes, two Reapers, etc. And for this you would want 1300 lighters, which you won’t get unless you get elite BP or buy some levels.

I would be cautious about that. You never know when the ending week could be cut short.

Still, it is slightly different since for the most part you won’t need to grind patches every day, like I do now.

They caught you on the hook of grind, probably trying to solve their low online problem :laughing:

You either pay with cash or with time. Whichever is cheaper for you.
Sad truth isn’t it?

If it becomes too painful, I highly suggest stacking a bunch of weapons. Something stupid like dual thunderbolt lacerator trombone, just to maximize your weapons badges/game :wink: Or a mix of different rarities of the same weapon type. I just replace a couple Maces with Lupara and Sledgehammer these days.

Premium is good for newer players wanted to unlock parts fast. The extra XP gain can unlock and let them level-up a lot quicker. Don’t forget each levels on the factions will unlock build parts. I am not saying it is a must, but it can help newer players. To able to play to unlock max resources each week need far too many hours for most. I think near end of year sales usually put it to 1/2 price. I am unsure players should need the whole 12 months to unlock all they need for the build parts if they do spend few hours a day on XO. For us been into the game and have unlock most parts, premium doesn’t benefit us much even with the coins gain.

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Not so much of a grind rather than BP parts. I still want to have 8 Gerridae.

It’s no biggie, I complete it all in about 3 raids. Or when I do the daily quest “win 5 missions”. I just call it grind because it is grinding the patches. Every day until I hit the level 105-106 or whichever brings me the last 15 lighters.

Good point. A few months of premium right when someone starts the game might be a good idea for some players.

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I really don’t understand the anger so many feel about the grind of playing Crossout without spending real money.

I mean, isn’t the whole point of a good game to have something to spend time playing? The longer I can play Crossout, the better.

I guess for some people, acquiring new items is more fun than playing with those items? Is Crossout more of a shopping simulator than a building/driving/fighting game for those people?

I’ve bought all the real BPs, but never spent a cent on premium, packs, mini-BPs, crosscoins, or buying BP levels. It has never occurred to me that speeding up my progress would make the game more fun. If anything, having everything in the game would probably kill a lot of my enjoyment. I really like the feeling that even after playing Crossout exclusively for years, there’s still so many things for me to unlock and master.

To me, having an endlessly growing game means I have infinite possibilities for fun.

I don’t love the fact that some of the best items in the game are pack-only, but the market pretty much solves that problem. Yes, it took me a long time to get around to saving up for a Kapkan, but once I decided I wanted one, it didn’t really take that long to grind one out just from playing PVP.

Maybe the game might have more players if the only thing you could buy was decor, but I don’t think it would make that big of a difference.

People are either going to enjoy the basic mechanics of building and playing, or they won’t. If you don’t enjoy playing the cars you have, I don’t think having more items is going to make it fun for you. Better to just move on to another game if playing this one feels like a chore.

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I’ve made this case a few times. While I’m a Mad Max fan & love car games, it’s not simply the “build a car” aspect, either. Even FPS games don’t allow you to customize your character (what the car essentially is in XO). Virtually every one I’ve ever played has severe limits on how I can customize the character. Granted, I’ve played games - even on my phone - where I could fine tune the appearance of my character to levels that seemed unimaginable just a few years ago… but that’s appearance. I can’t change the functionality of the character all that much. I can’t add a 3rd and 4th arm to my sorcerer to cast twice the spells… I can do that in XO - so to speak. XO rules all other games in this aspect.

This is the part of the XO and gaming communities I struggle to grasp. Outside of children and retirees, I cannot fathom how functioning adults can spend more than a few hours gaming in a week. Then, I remember we had some friends that got divorced a few years ago. One of the wife’s complaints was that her husband would come home, go to his “man cave” and game until bedtime every single day. Zero interaction with the kids or her.

I’ll bet he was a bad@ss in Madden or whatever schportzbawll game he was playing, though.

Extra hours for childsupport and alimony aside, I’ll bet he has even more time for his toys now that he’s divorced.

Ouch… I think you’re on to something there, Poony.
XO certainly feeds some sort of hunter-gatherer instinct, doesn’t it?
FOMO… fear of missing out… that, too.

I’m going to be pondering this for a while, methinks.

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Not really. Can’t have 3rd scorpion on a build or something. Energy limits and PS only allows you to squeeze things. Still enough to make something unique and even stand out from the mob and have some additional aspect working for you other than just aim skills and tactical positioning/maneuvering.

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