NOV update: Copter salt

[Degalus]

So ladies and gentlemen, im ready for the brawl david against goliath, dog against cat, evil against good … just joking ^^
No seriously i think this brawl is good to test if i or gangsterism are right with our comments.
I with my big mouth will have a handicap of a rarity lower / 1K ps less because 1. i said i can beat 4 equis with 3 therms (at least in air) and 2. i dont have 4200 coins for 3 joules.
So here are the four builds i and gangsterism will use.
First one of my fastest ground build i have:

Fast and need a little more then strafing left and right.
And if Gangsterism really wants to test it even when he doesnt want to fly i have these 2 for us:

So i think in around an hour or so im online again. Maybe then we have our showdown.

[Jalbi76]

Weapon mounting issue on the car, tired of these… It Will fall of even shooting next to it…

[Degalus]

We are testing weapons against weapons not builds vs builds. yea im not a meta builder but Gansterism and i also dont like brick builds. Sure its not perfect weapon placement but it works fine and because we both use the same build we will have both the same disadvantage.

[Jalbi76]

Weapons should be placed on cabin or shoot through parts… Not on structural parts… You don’t need to be a meta builder for that. Tiny weapon sitting on a huge armor piece… Obviously the enemy don’t have to precisely aim on your weapon…
It was a degunning meta for a while to learn that…

[Degalus]

Yea i know how to build it strong but this one works fine. I testet this thing long enough. Like i said even if it has an weakpoint we both drive the same thing.
I just wanted something that hits 120 kmh and does need some skill to drive.

[Jalbi76]

Good luck

[Degalus]

Looks like he didnt had time today. Didnt show up. I will try it tomorrow again.

[DocSavage]

@Aphaz

for lower ps: bat, 2x judge, 2x rare ammo box, falcon rotor…so any copter player…if you can test this i’d like to know the results

I’m not a real copter aficionado, but I think I’ll give that a whirl.

[Poony4u]

@Jalbi76

Enyoj it. 90 % of the weapons are not viable there on ground vehicles. What do you think New players feel when they are forced to play the Mode, for which they don’t have movement part and weapon…

1. New players are not forced to play the mode. The only incentive for anyone to do it are mini-pass challenges, and no one is forcing you to buy a mini-pass. I’ve never bought one.

2. Any weapon is viable in this mode. You just have to stop obsessing about hitting aircraft. Most of my MVPs in this mode come from playing pure melee, which by your logic should be impossible.

3. Low level rotors are not expensive, if new players want to fly.

[Jalbi76]

As I said enjoy it!

[Babuskae]

I disagree.

What i like from Next Step.
Respawn and smaller teams, point system ( that could replace the cap system), points for killing instead of capping, the first team that reaches the amount of points, wins and the game ends .

Being in a smaller team leads players to seek safety in numbers, so they try to be together more often that translate in a more tight unit, if we add to that the possibility to be more aggressive, better yet.
Once they meet, both teams are in an endless brawl only interrupted when somebody gets destroyed and/or one of the teams loses consistency

the helis are just an annoyance if we can’t ignore them.

The fact that the rewards are higher than in classic PVP and the fact that helis are there, it’s a pretty revealing factor to me that they want to unite both player bases, after they divided.
they want everyone playing on the same “page” to simplify things for them, managing a scattered player base it’s much more difficult than a single player base.
But they did a terrible job when introducing helis, like balancing weapons, there are weapons that got destroyed in the process, weapons that are trash on the ground or excellent in the air and vice versa was the result.
I mean, how hard can it be? copy/paste + different stats+ new skin = a brand new weapon for the air, But no, they had to mess up with already existent weapons without taking in account how different the environment is in both scenarios and how different would be their performance.
Other problem is, i always knew this game as a brawl, and with helis, it isn’t so much, with a slower pace, and we virtually don’t have to make physic contact with the opponent, for a SGunner it’s hard to follow, in other words they are trying to be what they never were.
Only to name a few.

@gangsterism and @Degalus
while i agree with you, helis must remain in a different mode i must say.
Bricks are a form of art, an exercise in perfection, in engineering, the more they can withstand the prettier they are.

Only thing i leave naked/stylish is my racing builds

[Degalus]

@Babuskae

the helis are just an annoyance if we can’t ignore them.

@Babuskae

while i agree with you, helis must remain in a different mode i must say.
Bricks are a form of art, an exercise in perfection, in engineering, the more they can withstand the prettier they are.

To think separating a bunch of player is a solution could be a problem for a game that has barly 4K online players (steamdb stats). I mean sure we wont come to a common ground at this topic because i love helis you dont but i dont think helis should be in a excluded mode. Firstly because its just not interesting enough to only do air 2 air combat, yes…its just not good enough. 2nd i know many players that only have fun with helis anymore and would stop playing. I think i would be done too.
The devs should find a way to better integrate them and make ground and air work better together then spliting them appart. Also players also a little guilty to refuse to optimize their builds for counter aircrafts. Like you they just ignore them or leave the match. It should really be worked on and balanced but not seperated.
Anf on the point of bricks… art? Sry but bricks are not art its bricks. I dont really care how you stack your plates and plates of armor under it but its still just a brick. Thats like the paintings that just have a spot in the middle and call it art.
Bricks are heavy tanks and they should be balanced like one. On that tonnage only tracks should be able to move them and they shouldnt be able to drive 100 kmh or even fly.
Its just boring gameplay to shoot at a block for 30 sec until you finaly get through it.
I dont say they should be ban them, i want more options not less.
Thats the reason why im so upset with the mg change. It was its own playstyle, own category it own feeling. Was it too strong in combination of other factors like bricks? Yes. Was balancing needed? Yes! But they should hav looked at why they were so strong. Because you couldnt fing kill them before they shredded you for 30 sec. Bricks are a problem.
They should have reworked the whole weight system what can carry what and how much because if a heavy tank can barly move its still super tanky but at least a easy target.
But that is my opinion

[gangsterism]

@Degalus

They should have reworked the whole weight system what can carry what and how much because if a heavy tank can barly move its still super tanky but at least a easy target.

they are supposedly doing that

[Degalus]

@gangsterism

they are supposedly doing that

Hey gangsterism, where was you yesterday? I waited for you to show up to our brawl.

And yea supposedly… but by their balancing track history they will find a way to f it up.
Maybe by not even fixing bricks and make helis nearly unuseable.
Bright future for you guys though.

[gangsterism]

@Degalus

Hey gangsterism, where was you yesterday? I waited for you to show up to our brawl.

i played matchmaking and got so mad at my team i exitted the game

[Aphaz]

so did you try it out…?
was it good?

[DocSavage]

Mmmmm, nerp. Sorry. I couldn’t get motivated to play copters. I thought the challenge (build this, I dare you) might inspire me, I like that kind of thing, but…nerp. I just ain’t into it, or the mech legs, for that matter.

Also, nobody is playing this game anymore. My queue times are absurd, and if I do get a match it’s very poorly balanced. It feels like this game is scraping bottom.

The wasteland is desolate, sad, and devoid of life. There’s nobody left to kill…we won? Now what?

I still feel a distant, vague, and weak ambition to take up that gauntlet, and answer the call…or let it go to voice-mail. IDK.

I’ll push it through, see what I come up with.

[MudnBeer]

try my inc copter i’ll send it you.
and try diff servers like asia,eu,russia

[Aphaz]

i wasn’t trying to make him play copter for copter’s sake…it was to test the cancer meta i came up ('cuz of this CRAPDATE, and 'cuz i quit…not to mention i ain’t a cannon player)…since they wrecked a great majority of the weapons…but they BUFF cannons?!?
…like, it’s preety obvious what this crapdate’s aim was…so i was just trying to add my “2cents”
that is to say, if anyone wants to try it out, not just him, i’m all for it…just wanted to know…

@DocSavage

Also, nobody is playing this game anymore. My queue times are absurd, and if I do get a match it’s very poorly balanced. It feels like this game is scraping bottom.

The wasteland is desolate, sad, and devoid of life. There’s nobody left to kill…we won? Now what?

well now this happend faster than even i thought it would (which i posted in another thread)

“i had a fealing this game would end just like firefall…they’ll just keep avoiding all the issues the game has and keep rebalancing stuff 'till the last (disgusted) player finally decides to quit.”

[Davinci_Fatso]

Machineguns didn’t even get a nerf, if you have the slightest bit of skill. in my opinion, machineguns got a buff. I notice a shorter time to kill on most targets tbh. AND the ammo is no problem in next step. I hardly need to take ammo. regular crossout mode thoug… yeah you need an ammo box. but that mode is tryhard city anyways so I don’t really play it alot…