What is going on with the game?

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You may not have seen me in game as much over the years because I typically do most of my playing on Monday and Tuesday in the daytime, as those are usually my days off. I might play a bit here and there in the evenings, but rarely for more than an hour on those days.
Also, I’m not sure how PlayStation handles players in different regions. I’m in Toronto, and I see Tenshiijin in game relatively often, and I know he lives nearby. Maybe me and you live far enough apart that we rarely end up in games together.

Anyway, like you said, you can prove anything with selective video clips, so that’s why I didn’t really see any proof of anything in your videos.

We all have our own perspectives on the game, and we often assume that our perspective is the normal one that the majority of other players share. This is unfortunately probably not true.

Personally, I don’t see crossout’s business practices as excessively predatory, because I’ve never felt like I had to spend real money to enjoy the game. But that’s just my perspective, and I have no idea how many players share it.

In theory, those who feel the game is unfair should have already quit, leaving more people like me. But as we see on the forum, a lot of people who feel the game is taking advantage of them keep on playing, or at least keep on posting on the forum.

We’ll never really know how most other players feel, unless they do some large scale survey and make the results public, which is unlikely to happen.

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In theory, complaining is how you get things fixed or adjusted. Taking it up the ass without lube and loving it just doesn’t fit in my playbook. I am going to speak out.

I quit paying them money, but does that mean I have to quit my ROBUST 5+ year account? No, I already have most everything fused. In my posts, when I say I quit… I don’t mean playing, I mean paying. Both can be “quitting”.

Is the forum supposed to be only rose colored glasses that are half full? No where did I read that in the ToS.

The game used to be pay for variety and had a fairly healthy population. The game has clearly moved to P2W and the population is falling. Don’t need a survey to tell there used to be 6 -8 players in a match, now its 3 players and 3 bots unless you play specific PS at specific times.

I feel the game is unfair in it’s current state. The “unfairness” skews my way though, because I already have most things and they are fused.

That would be the purpose of a public forum.

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Yeah the “don’t like it just quit instead of complaining” mentality is just so backwards and those who peddle it must have zero clue how a customer based business works.

Besides that just look at the steam charts, they don;t represent a good total opulation but the decline over the past year would very likely be mirrored on other platforma including the Gaijin launcher.

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well over a 100% increase due to the closure of the Chinese version and we’re nearly back down to the previosu population numbers…

If steam is looking like this then I’d expect other platforms and launchers to follow the trend to some degree… I see no reason for Gaijin launcher population to be increasing.

The people who don’t like it really do just quit, the ones who care enough to want Crossout to succeed are the ones complaining. If no one was around to complain then you’d really be in trouble.

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The devs don’t read the forum, so no, your complaining is not going to get action.

And besides, boycotts and complaints only change business policies when the business thinks they are actually a threat. So expressing your discontent by not spending money might have some effect, and not playing might also have some effect. Complaining on the forum, is not something the devs are going to pay attention to unless it is reflected in their bottom line.

The fact that the devs aren’t reacting to most of the complaints on the forum suggests to me that they’re not bleeding players and profits as much as some of you believe. But I could be wrong!

Continuing to play the game when you think it is unfair is pretty much the definition of accepting it. If you really hate it so much, you’re going to have to show it with your time and money, because without that, your words on a forum aren’t going to seem very important to those making decisions.

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I complain on Reddit where they do actually get forwarded information, my attitude isn’t goign to change simply because I’m on this forum; there’s no great firewall here I’m afraid.

Whyw ould the devs react? Admitting that there’s a problem would be the worst thing for them to do, it’s why you don’t hear about banks going under until it’s happening.

I do it with my money, they’ve not seen any of mine for so long now. Not playing when I have literally everything in the game woul dbe stupid, the things the devs do negativly affect those who are new or do not have the type of inventory veteran players have built up. Vets and new players both leave en-mass enough already, I wouldn’t make a difference in that regard.

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You still play the game, and the devs need that just as much as they need people spending money. If people like you actually quit, they might care more.

It’s not dissimilar to how various right wing conservative groups keep freaking out and announcing boycotts whenever some corporation does something woke, and then the corporations mostly ignore them because their viewpoints aren’t actually the majority. They can protest as much as they want, but unless there’s actually enough of them to hurt the business, they’re not going to have much impact.

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Vets with everything who don’t need to spend are worth nothing to them

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Right wing conservatives hardly invented cancel culture.

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Nope, the game needs an active playerbase more than anything. If it drops enough, queue times will get too long, and even happily paying players like myself will leave.

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Of course not, but they are currently big proponents of it, while not actually being very successful at it.

If you want boycotts to work, you need to pick something that a larger number of people care about.

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i still don’t know why ‘people use Steam chart as an example of anything’
i don’t use steam,i don’t like steam,so why steam?
i just use the launcher. people using steam probly dont like the lag it creates so they just go to the launcher…just a thought,don’t pick on me,im made of paper :kissing_heart:

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I use it as an example of population corrolation. The total doesn’t matter but the % increases and decreases are something which will probably mirror through other platforms and the Gaijin launcher.

I actually asked on Reddit for a Rise of the Machines leaderboard comparison across all platforms… results were roughly

PC: 34000
PS: 9000
Xbox: 5000

I know some won’t have played the mode but it gives a good insight.

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My queue times are actually getting long. They really need to stimulate some growth in new player populations, or just work on the basics and entry level of this game so it isn’t like a shark tank in here, but they seem to focus a lot on players with unusually phat wallets and inventories, as evidenced by their pack prices, and the exorbitant costs of event work benches lately.

How many? Is eight thousand enough? Seems like a lot of people have been quitting. Whatever your take on the Steam charts is, 8k people gone in less than a year is a bit shocking, I think.

The most recent poll suggests there isn’t a lot of new players…and no chicks…I have an awful joke I really want to tell about that last part…but I won’t. It’s safe to say nobody noticed.

Anyway, a lot of what this community does complain about are very valid concerns, IMO, and the developer’s lack of redress is probably what keeps this game floundering on the bottom like a cancer patient.

I think this game has a small player base, not because of it’s niche cult-like character, but because these developers tend to sabotage themselves with some unusually bad marketing and constantly turn the game upside down with their updates and perpetual beta-testing.

I think the recent poll suggests that most of the players here have been playing for a long time. Perhaps they simply have too much invested in it to just walk away.

New players are likely overwhelmed with just how fckd-up this game is, while the rest of us may have established strategies or inventories that can manage the catastrophic updates and generally harsh gaming environment this game is, or has become.

I think this game will have to get better for it to survive much longer, and has been running at peak stupidity. This last update will probably take a moment for it to have an effect on the way people play, but so far I haven’t seen much change, and I sure haven’t seen any signs of growth despite the magnitude of work they put into this game over the last year.

I hear they have plans, so we’ll see how they go. It’d be silly to think the game we are looking at right now is a finished project.

I don’t agree that the game is running just fine, and I don’t think the developers agree either, and will demonstrate that shortly by changing it and updating it, along with the customary list of things they found to be wrong with it too.

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I don’t think the game is perfect, but I also don’t think it’s nearly as bad as people on the forum say.
Regardless, complaining here is not going change the game.

And most of the big problems in the game are unavoidable problems with the F2P model. I don’t see any way the game could succeed with a “buy it once” format, so we’re probably stuck with most of those F2P problems.

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I will assume from this you don’t play many other games and do not have a relevant comparison.

I am glad you are happy with the game and enjoy it, that is what it’s meant for in players lives. I too enjoy the game, but it does not stop me from critically thinking.

Do you have proof of this? Many suggestions made here have been implemented into the game. It is impossible to know if they were already planned, come from reddit or come from one of the official forums.

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I don’t think anybody is asking for “perfect,” and some of it is just ridiculous, and every bit as bad as people say it is.

I think I’ve seen the people more happy with this game before (I’ve been happier), and many of the people who make their complaints here are veterans, who in the past had much more positive things to discuss. I’ve never seen such large swathes of people so very pissed at this game’s development, as I have seen over the last year.

Maybe we should just censor them and their opinions? That’s a popular attitude, at least in the corporate world, and among certain demographics; sell them sour milk and then ignore their protests, tell them they have no right to voice their perspective in the public square.

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Anyone has the right to complain about the game, and I have the right to complain about how the forum has become dominated by doomers, making it less useful for the rest of us.

I do agree that the forum used to have more active members who posted about enjoying the game, and mostly liked to exchange knowledge and post pictures of their builds.
But from what I’ve seen, many of them quit the forum and are still playing the game. I’m sure some quit the game too, but at least on my platform I see several former forum members playing regularly.

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this is the only place to raise concerns about the game/pros n cons.
thats why we are all here.
its not a place to beat up on eachother,we do that in game.

but just as life is ,it tends to lean toward who has the last word.
in the end of everyones opions we all still appreciate your voice and look at everyones side of things…exept for :monkey: :shushing_face: :kissing_heart: :crazy_face:

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Before 2.o it was the sole reason I was on the Forum, because I am an average player and I hoped to get pointers and help anyone I can be better. This last year, BP’s that require stuff from previous BP’s, the introduction of too many parts without adjustments, the ruining of wheels (mostly), the dominance of omni’s ect has turned me to voicing the game is in a bad state.

It doesn’t mean that I do not enjoy the game.

I just want a couple Balance patches in a row between this phrenetic pace of P2W BP’s and mini BP’s. One pass at nearly everything, then a second after a couple weeks of data collection to bring any anomolies up or down.
It’s not like I’m asking for new modes, new this, new that or any major reworks.

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Isn’t that kind of what they do? A bigger balance patch between each main BP, with adjustments in the weeks after the patch? And then sporadic small tweaks with event and BP updates.

I do agree that the pace seems a little frenetic these days. I suspect the devs are trying to power through a lot of big changes in preparation for launching crossplay and hopefully announcing that beta is truly over.

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