Thing is in 8v8 the tow isn’t OP like at all. Think most players have a bellow average win rate with it do to how it plays and how often flanking and counter builds are seen.
Also I don’t care about youtube or any of that. I care about how one h olds themselves. And they are showing more extreme views that show me they are not to be trusted. they act like the reddit mods who complained something UP was OP for so long it got nerfed into the ground repeatedely until it was useless.
Wow that’s actually great and somewhat surprising. Maybe because i’ve got used to toxicity in the CIS / eastern european forum…
Actually, some of my friends did show me this forum (i though that all crossout forums got closed, turns out that it’s just the CIS one) laughing at some takes here. I’ve helped some less skilled players before so one day i just decided to pop in here and clear some things up.
What’s also funny is that my clan literally has the description that’s along the lines of “SHEEP REEDUCATION / TRAINING CENTRE”. It sounds much more rude in English though, but it’s more tongue-and-cheek in my native language lol.
Hmmm, maybe i should make an english channel too and post more tips/tricks here for people who want to play more competetively.
Well, what’s better?
Depending on which type of game you’ve balanced (MOBA, MMO, singleplayer, genre - it all makes a different answer more appropriate) you’ll have a different answer.
Seeing as 90% of the playerbase plays patrol and standard 8v8. (seriously to many people play just patrol.)
I would say it being balanced in standard 8v8 is better. Right now we are in the middle of a meta shift, and it shouldn’t take long before people find ways to counter the tow with out weakening themselves to other things… they just have to experiment and improve.
It’s actually universal across all of crossout audience. We (as eastern european crossout players) don’t use reddit but this mindset is also there.
You just need to know me more to understand what i’m talking about. And it will be impossible to know me if you just deny anything i say.
Wanna know why my views are so extreme? Buckle up then. Just to name a few things:
Do you remember retcher dogs that also had their hit check be only a single tracer, so you can literally put them into a 1-pin wide gap and they’d shoot no problem, with their grenades phasing through your build? Somewhere in 2019 i’ve said that this was a bug that should be nerfed and i’ve got witch hunted by a few people for, like, 3 years or so?
Do you remember arbiter sausage builds? I’ve said that they’re OP. One of the best sausage clans (KTM) invited me to play these builds, saying that “i wouldn’t be even able to leave the tin league”.
I’ve joined them and i was one of the best players in their clan (with no past experience on sausage builds and with lots of unfused parts).
I always said that scorpios are OP. Because of this people once again witch hunted me said that “i’m way to lowskilled to play scorpio myself”.
I’ve bought scorpio, joined a random clan and absolutely DEMOLISHED everyone i’ve met.
I’m still saying that hovers are OP. I have more than 8k CW battles purely on hovers and farmed at least 2000 uranium ore on them. People, as you’ve guessed, witch hunted me because of that (mainly hovermains).
I’m saying that spiders and augers are OP now… getting the pattern yet?
I have every single reason to be salty about this tbh
And i’ve just scratched the surface because there were so many situations that will take hours to explain.
Remember the return of the machines (or whatever it was called in english locale), aka that winter 2023-2024 event?
Well, there were guys that got to top-4 in the leaderboard. And they’ve published lots of fake builds on the exhibition (naming them like “TOP-1 EVENT META”) to sabotage others.
I’ve leaked their REAL builds and team composition. They said that “our ‘real’ composition is a fake used to bait you!!! and you’ve got baited lololololol!!!” trying to paint me as an idiot lmao.
Then they release the footage 2 weeks later and the “fake composition” turns out to be a real deal.
Just to give you a slight inside into what shit i’ve been dealing with in this game and why i don’t bother anymore with “non-extreme views”.
BTW, this is also happening in the BfU now. If you paid attention on what i’ve been posting here, you’d probably remember that we got top-20 in the recent 11k BfU. We had a good WN against EQWS (around 65%). They were using at least 3 whirl dogs in their pack composition.
Aaaand they’ve also published lots of fake builds, that they haven’t used once against us, to sabotage others… Reapers, cyclones, mammonths, nests etc.
These people are also paint me as a “low-skill tin league player” BTW ;))))) for some reason i’m winning against people that paint me as a low skill… then what are they?
I wouldn’t go deeper since it will take HOURS. You get the idea. This is just the surface
UW, uranium war
Btw, hello to all people, I decided that i need to learn english better and now i will write and read here regularly : D
I know about it, but i want excactly to learn english
And translator sometimes translate wrong(
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Everything you just said 
Mind is blown, thumbs up 
Finally someone on the forum in the upper echelons of the game who knows what they talking about. Ill sit just sit back and grab the popcorn 
i would like to add that in my experience of regular 8vs8, having a TOW teammate is almost as bad as drone teammate, if not worse.
I have yet to meet a TOW teammate that knows what he’s doing or keeping up with the dps of the rest of his team.
Dronners at least can use muninn cab to target an enemy, heat them to death with fatum too, or go the old fashion way of tesla drone that itself can target, then ram enemy with The Call wedges.
TOW? pfft. you’re either doing sniper build or severely crippled if a TOW somehow managed to hit you, or a cockpit booster TOW go out all the way to shotgun you out of pure spite. Other than that, if I see the same TOW guy on my team 3 times in a row and we already lost the last 2, it’s instant requeue for me.
TOW is in a relatively fine spot due to their potential to throw off CW meta, but that’s about it. If anything, they should have the ability to fly up and down so that they can get the helicopters owned.
About TOW
It’s just toxic in 8v8. For example, fight in what i was annihilated by tows on focus. My team was annihilated too.
So, it is strong gun, what can be very toxic just because can do some(more) damage while you can’t see enemy. And i wouldn’t call it a weak, or useless weapon in 8v8.
Ok I will yield to you, you do know what you are talking about and have a good record.
I am just fearful as the Tow finally became useful and fills a niche, so I fear it getting nerfed again as last time they nerfed it they nerfed it so hard it became useless… like they do when ever they nerf things.
That’s because our devs can’t up things. They WILL create something that’s OP. Avalanche, assembler, augers, spiders, GL impulse, cyclone, typhoon, phoenix, porcs, ripper etc.
Everything in this list that they buffed became meta. They end up overbuffing things.
It’s statistically better to NERF things, not BUFF them. For starters - we have ~165 guns in the game including seemingly non-weapons such as flock, barrier and so on.
About 15-20 of them are OP weapons, about 30 more are playable and the rest are just lacking.
It’s easier to touch up ~50 weapons than ~100 weapons.
Next, as i’ve said, our devs can’t buff weapons properly. They’ll end up with an abomination that’s so op and toxic. Or hell, they sometimes create one from scratch (raijin, imugi etc.)
And the third point (in my opinion, it’s the most valid one). Let’s say that you have a C tier weapon as your primary pick. It’s not THAT bad, but it’s not meta. You might score some good results with it, but you struggle against meta. As i’ve said, there’s about 20 actually meta weapons in all PvP gamemodes (excluding arcade) across all the PS ranges.
The devs buff something. It’s not your weapon. Now you have another toxic thing that you don’t have any chances to beat, because 20 isn’t enough. So you’ll have to wait, possibly quite for some time, until your weapon will get buffed too. And how long that will take? How many “natural predators” you’ll have until then? 40? Maybe 60?
If meta geta NERFED, however, there will be one less toxic thing that you have to go against. And over time, it will be “easier to breathe” for your fav build, without it getting absurdly strong that it will get if it gets buffed directly.
By the way.
You’ve said something about execs being OP. Just to clarify… well.
These two people (1st and 3rd) are my clanmates and they play in full hover pack.
So these numbers are… a bit inflated.
20 out of 30 exec players literally had only 1 battle with them.
idk who decided that they need up. After all nerfs they worse than they were before up, and they still very good in 8v8v and confrotation(but not UW)
NERF!?! in our economy? how could our whales buy $1000 weapons if they cant be ensured that the weapons remain free win OP forever?
admin! increase the damage of raijin back to 10,000 immediately, the sales have gone down
Lol. TOW got nerfed. As i’ve said…
no, you bribed a targem employee to nerf the tow to prove your point. it is physically impossible that i am factually wrong, there are no balance problems in my game!
footage of a targem whistleblower 1 day before he nerfs raijin
