I should state, I am not meaning to argue with you guys. this is more a debate.
All it shows me is MGS really really need a buff.
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No. It’s meta because you can put daze on it and degun everyone if you have two daze reaper builds. This works well against spiders but augers will just demolish you, because augers can be used as a backup melee weapon. This is why spiders also have augers in their pack.
Also, this is why narwhals are having a surge in popularity. Augers have insane DMR, narwhals remove that DMR because they’re of a cryo type.
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Ah, that makes sense. I thought their pierce and ability to just suddenly blow up an internal fuel tank was why.
As stated I don’t play CW and CC. I play the standard 8v8 mode, where the tow is in a rather good place. and you always have at least one counter build someone is running.
right now though I think I see the problem. the tow by design is a “meta counter” and in a mode where everyone plays the meta… it is going to be OP.
To clarify here is the problem.
in CW/CC you need to play the meta to have a chance of winning if you play off meta you are just screwing yourself over.
The tow requires someone to play off meta to beat it, and if you do so you beat it with ease but you are now off meta and making your team down one to beat a threat that could kill your team completely. which makes it effectively a 3v4 for the fight even if you get the tow, it still has time to hit you.
This is do to its design as an artillery ranged weapon.
the best way to fix this would be I kid you not just reducing the guided flight time by 2 seconds. (I would say one but fused tows would undo that.)
Hope I am making sense with that, It is hard for me to articulate my words some times.
But right now I think the best way to fix the “tow OP” in clan would be to either do a guided flight time nerf, or buff MGs to give it an on meta counter.
Look me and you and just about everyone else on this forum are solely pvp players with a pvp mindset. Now I can recognize skill or someone with unique relevant experience when I see it so having kolliak(cant spell name) join the forum recently gave me some new insight into why the things works the way they do currently.
Now I don’t agree with all his points and If I see something wrong with what he say’s I will correct it because I do have some unique experience or certain insights that he prob don’t have but for the most part this dude knows what he is talking about and for all of us solo pvp bums on the forum to make him out like some kind of newb seems laughable to me(hell the dude got 2k subscribers on yt in case you didn’t know)
With that said In my updated opinion I think the tow is op everywhere across the board even in cc. Don’t ask me why! I just knows just like how some of the best guitar players don’t know they’re music theory but still knows what they are doing etc that kind of thing. But anyways we should take what kolliak says with much more than a grain of salt or we can stay ignorant in our echo chamber.
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Thing is in 8v8 the tow isn’t OP like at all. Think most players have a bellow average win rate with it do to how it plays and how often flanking and counter builds are seen.
Also I don’t care about youtube or any of that. I care about how one h olds themselves. And they are showing more extreme views that show me they are not to be trusted. they act like the reddit mods who complained something UP was OP for so long it got nerfed into the ground repeatedely until it was useless.
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Wow that’s actually great and somewhat surprising. Maybe because i’ve got used to toxicity in the CIS / eastern european forum…
Actually, some of my friends did show me this forum (i though that all crossout forums got closed, turns out that it’s just the CIS one) laughing at some takes here. I’ve helped some less skilled players before so one day i just decided to pop in here and clear some things up.
What’s also funny is that my clan literally has the description that’s along the lines of “SHEEP REEDUCATION / TRAINING CENTRE”. It sounds much more rude in English though, but it’s more tongue-and-cheek in my native language lol.
Hmmm, maybe i should make an english channel too and post more tips/tricks here for people who want to play more competetively.
Well, what’s better?
- item is average in one mode but in the rest it’s bad
- item is op in one mode but in the rest it’s average
Depending on which type of game you’ve balanced (MOBA, MMO, singleplayer, genre - it all makes a different answer more appropriate) you’ll have a different answer.
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Seeing as 90% of the playerbase plays patrol and standard 8v8. (seriously to many people play just patrol.)
I would say it being balanced in standard 8v8 is better. Right now we are in the middle of a meta shift, and it shouldn’t take long before people find ways to counter the tow with out weakening themselves to other things… they just have to experiment and improve.
It’s actually universal across all of crossout audience. We (as eastern european crossout players) don’t use reddit but this mindset is also there.
You just need to know me more to understand what i’m talking about. And it will be impossible to know me if you just deny anything i say.
Wanna know why my views are so extreme? Buckle up then. Just to name a few things:
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Do you remember retcher dogs that also had their hit check be only a single tracer, so you can literally put them into a 1-pin wide gap and they’d shoot no problem, with their grenades phasing through your build? Somewhere in 2019 i’ve said that this was a bug that should be nerfed and i’ve got witch hunted by a few people for, like, 3 years or so?
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Do you remember arbiter sausage builds? I’ve said that they’re OP. One of the best sausage clans (KTM) invited me to play these builds, saying that “i wouldn’t be even able to leave the tin league”.
I’ve joined them and i was one of the best players in their clan (with no past experience on sausage builds and with lots of unfused parts).
They kicked me short after because i refused to praise the sausage build and still said it was OP. -
I always said that scorpios are OP. Because of this people once again witch hunted me said that “i’m way to lowskilled to play scorpio myself”.
I’ve bought scorpio, joined a random clan and absolutely DEMOLISHED everyone i’ve met.
After this everyone who said “show us how you play scorpio then, you wouldn’t lolololol!!!” dissapeared or found 15481295819 reasons why i’m still wrong “because you were in only top-33 and not top-1!!! if scorpios are OP then why you aren’t top-1 yet!!!” e.c. e.c. -
I’m still saying that hovers are OP. I have more than 8k CW battles purely on hovers and farmed at least 2000 uranium ore on them. People, as you’ve guessed, witch hunted me because of that (mainly hovermains).
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I’m saying that spiders and augers are OP now… getting the pattern yet?
I have every single reason to be salty about this tbh
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And i’ve just scratched the surface because there were so many situations that will take hours to explain.
Remember the return of the machines (or whatever it was called in english locale), aka that winter 2023-2024 event?
Well, there were guys that got to top-4 in the leaderboard. And they’ve published lots of fake builds on the exhibition (naming them like “TOP-1 EVENT META”) to sabotage others.
I’ve leaked their REAL builds and team composition. They said that “our ‘real’ composition is a fake used to bait you!!! and you’ve got baited lololololol!!!” trying to paint me as an idiot lmao.
Then they release the footage 2 weeks later and the “fake composition” turns out to be a real deal.
Just to give you a slight inside into what shit i’ve been dealing with in this game and why i don’t bother anymore with “non-extreme views”.
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BTW, this is also happening in the BfU now. If you paid attention on what i’ve been posting here, you’d probably remember that we got top-20 in the recent 11k BfU. We had a good WN against EQWS (around 65%). They were using at least 3 whirl dogs in their pack composition.
Aaaand they’ve also published lots of fake builds, that they haven’t used once against us, to sabotage others… Reapers, cyclones, mammonths, nests etc.
These people are also paint me as a “low-skill tin league player” BTW ;))))) for some reason i’m winning against people that paint me as a low skill… then what are they?
I wouldn’t go deeper since it will take HOURS. You get the idea. This is just the surface
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UW, uranium war
Btw, hello to all people, I decided that i need to learn english better and now i will write and read here regularly : D
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I know about it, but i want excactly to learn english
And translator sometimes translate wrong(
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Горынка Упорынка
Everything you just said 
Mind is blown, thumbs up 
Finally someone on the forum in the upper echelons of the game who knows what they talking about. Ill sit just sit back and grab the popcorn 
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i would like to add that in my experience of regular 8vs8, having a TOW teammate is almost as bad as drone teammate, if not worse.
I have yet to meet a TOW teammate that knows what he’s doing or keeping up with the dps of the rest of his team.
Dronners at least can use muninn cab to target an enemy, heat them to death with fatum too, or go the old fashion way of tesla drone that itself can target, then ram enemy with The Call wedges.
TOW? pfft. you’re either doing sniper build or severely crippled if a TOW somehow managed to hit you, or a cockpit booster TOW go out all the way to shotgun you out of pure spite. Other than that, if I see the same TOW guy on my team 3 times in a row and we already lost the last 2, it’s instant requeue for me.
TOW is in a relatively fine spot due to their potential to throw off CW meta, but that’s about it. If anything, they should have the ability to fly up and down so that they can get the helicopters owned.
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About TOW
It’s just toxic in 8v8. For example, fight in what i was annihilated by tows on focus. My team was annihilated too.
So, it is strong gun, what can be very toxic just because can do some(more) damage while you can’t see enemy. And i wouldn’t call it a weak, or useless weapon in 8v8.
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Ok I will yield to you, you do know what you are talking about and have a good record.
I am just fearful as the Tow finally became useful and fills a niche, so I fear it getting nerfed again as last time they nerfed it they nerfed it so hard it became useless… like they do when ever they nerf things.
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That’s because our devs can’t up things. They WILL create something that’s OP. Avalanche, assembler, augers, spiders, GL impulse, cyclone, typhoon, phoenix, porcs, ripper etc.
Everything in this list that they buffed became meta. They end up overbuffing things.
It’s statistically better to NERF things, not BUFF them. For starters - we have ~165 guns in the game including seemingly non-weapons such as flock, barrier and so on.
About 15-20 of them are OP weapons, about 30 more are playable and the rest are just lacking.
It’s easier to touch up ~50 weapons than ~100 weapons.
Next, as i’ve said, our devs can’t buff weapons properly. They’ll end up with an abomination that’s so op and toxic. Or hell, they sometimes create one from scratch (raijin, imugi etc.)
And the third point (in my opinion, it’s the most valid one). Let’s say that you have a C tier weapon as your primary pick. It’s not THAT bad, but it’s not meta. You might score some good results with it, but you struggle against meta. As i’ve said, there’s about 20 actually meta weapons in all PvP gamemodes (excluding arcade) across all the PS ranges.
The devs buff something. It’s not your weapon. Now you have another toxic thing that you don’t have any chances to beat, because 20 isn’t enough. So you’ll have to wait, possibly quite for some time, until your weapon will get buffed too. And how long that will take? How many “natural predators” you’ll have until then? 40? Maybe 60?
If meta geta NERFED, however, there will be one less toxic thing that you have to go against. And over time, it will be “easier to breathe” for your fav build, without it getting absurdly strong that it will get if it gets buffed directly.
